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The Sahara has changed, but it remains a desert without compromise, the largest and most oppressive on earth. There is no place as dry and hot and hostile. There are few places as huge and as wild. It is roughly the size of the United States, 3.6 million square miles filling the northern third of Africa, an area so vast that it spans 11 countries. It’s so arid that most bacteria cannot survive there; its loneliness is so extreme it is said that migratory birds will land beside travelers, just for the company.

Doc Hendley knows a thing or two about the Sahara.

The North Carolina native has spent plenty of time in the region as part of his Wine To Water non-profit, helping to provide clean water to victims of Sudan’s government-supported genocide. The award-winning humanitarian has not only been baked by the Sahara’s intense heat, he’s been shot at, ambushed, and extorted by its people. He’s had to talk his way through roadblocks set up by SLA rebels and Janjaweed fighters alike, dropping the names of local commanders and tribal leaders in order to be allowed to pass. Just a fifth of the Sahara’s vastness is sand of popular imagination, formed into the great dune seas called ergs in Arabic; the rest is rock and gravel plain, and high rugged mountain. Hendley knows this well. In 2005, he navigated the volcanic mountain range known as Jebel Marra, only to be stopped by young boys in filthy camouflage – SLA soldiers – who fired warning shots from their AK-47s, and who morphed back into children only after learning that Mohamed Isa, then one of SLA’s top commanders, had requested a meeting with Hendley and his team. In places like South Darfur, one of the 18 conflict-ridden states of Sudan, clean moya – the Sudanese Arabic word for water – is more valuable than guns. Scores have died from drinking contaminated water fetched from dirty pools. Children are most at risk, the cholera causing severe diarrhea and dehydration, their mothers powerless to stop the bacteria’s deadly rampage. Cholera can kill within hours. Survivors suffer the losses long after. To those born by chance in a hard land, Doc Hendley is nothing short of a messiah.

Doc with a rebel group in Darfur, Sudan
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It’s unsurprising that the humble North Carolinian sees himself as anything but a savior, even though his work with wells, filters and water bladders provides clean drinking water to thousands in places like South Darfur. Friendly and plainspoken, Doc Hendley is as ordinary as they come, the kind of guy who might serve your beer during happy hour at the local pub – which is something he did plenty of during the early 2000s, while bartending and playing music in nightclubs around Raleigh, NC.

“The things I learned as a bartender were incredibly valuable when I traveled to western Sudan,” Hendley says. “When you’re starting out, it’s not so much about how good and fast you are at mixing drinks, it’s about how quickly you can build a relationship with the people sitting in front of you at the bar. Those skills not only helped me get things accomplished in Darfur, there were times when they also saved my life.”

In 2009, CNN held its third annual global search for everyday individuals changing the world. The Top 10 CNN Heroes were chosen from more than 9,000 nominations submitted by viewers in 100 countries. A panel composed of luminaries recognized for their own dedication to public service made the selections, a blue-ribbon panel that included humanitarians such as four-star general Colin Powell, philanthropist Wallis Annenberg, and Sir Elton John. Hendley’s story stood out. On Thanksgiving night, 2009, he was honored during CNN Heroes: An All-Star Tribute, which aired from the famed Kodak Theatre in Hollywood. That he was even on the stage that night, introduced to the world by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, is no small miracle – and not just because Hendley had managed to survive nearly a year in one of the most dangerous places on earth.

Doc Hendley’s work has taken him all over the world, including Haiti following the 2010 earthquake
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“Let’s just say I wasn’t the most focused kid growing up,” he says with a wry smile. “It took me a while to figure things out and find my purpose.”

A preacher’s son, Hendley was cut from a different cloth than his sister and three brothers. While they all shared their parent’s passion for church, it was clear from an early age that their brother was different. He wasn’t a bad kid; he just wasn’t someone who followed the crowd.

“I went to church,” Hendley says. “I believed in God. I just wasn’t always on the same page with the rest of my siblings. I had a restless streak.”

Nicknamed “Doc” because his baby sister couldn’t pronounce his name, Dickson Hendley was also born with a naturally rebellious nature. He was twelve-years-old when a biker rumbled to stop beside the family’s Chevy Suburban during a Myrtle Beach trip. Hendley was mesmerized by the imposing figure at the light beside them. Everything about him – his cowboy boots, his riding leathers, the fierce independence he projected sitting on that deep-throated Harley-Davidson – seemed larger than life. The connection was instantaneous.

Rebel With A Cause – Doc Hendley
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“I was always a loner. Bikers were solitary figures who lived for the open road, who didn’t conform to what others expected of them, and who made up their own rules. I saw a lot of myself in them.”

Growing up, Hendley had few friends. He preferred hanging out in the woods by himself, his BB gun in tow, exploring the world around him. As he got a little older, he’d hunt squirrels and rabbits, camping out under the stars. He was on his own time, making his own rules, doing his own thing. In school, he had trouble finding his footing, both socially and in the classroom.

“I was never a very good student growing up, was never a great athlete, and I was awful at following the rules, so I guess it’s no surprise that I was in trouble a lot. I always had a lot of energy. Unfortunately, I chose to use that energy for some pretty negative things.”

Hendley didn’t seem to fit in anywhere, but that didn’t concern him in the least. Sure, he was aware of the obligatory middle school cliques – the jocks, the popular kids, the artsy types – but he didn’t lose any sleep over being labeled an outcast. As an eighth-grader, he tasted whiskey for the first time – on a school choir field trip, no less. He continued to drink beer and whiskey through high school, usually out camping where he wouldn’t get caught. He started riding at 15, bought his first bike two years later, and continued to cultivate his James Dean image. By then the girls had started to take notice. After graduation he found a seedy biker bar on the outskirts of Sanford, North Carolina, where he spent long hours and eventually ended up working, serving beer and liquor to the local clientele while finishing up a semester at Central Carolina Community College.

“My second home,” Hendley says of the 19th Hole. “People there didn’t put on airs. They were real people who liked to talk and tell you their stories. I got to hear it all – stories about marriages, divorces, milestones, missed opportunities, you name it. If I wasn’t a good listener before I began working there, I was definitely one when I left.”

Doc Hendley in a playful moment at a refugee camp in Sudan
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Later that summer, Hendley bought a Harley from a friend who had moved to New Zealand. The bike was shipped to Los Angeles; Hendley bought a Greyhound ticket, bussed across country, and then rode the bike home. The trip back took nearly three months.

“I took advantage of my summer and went everywhere,” he says. “I just went where I felt like going, wherever the open road would take me – to Vegas, to Tahoe, to Reno. I went into Canada. I saw the redwoods in Northern California. I did Mount Rushmore, Wyoming, the Badlands of South Dakota. There was no real plan, other than to see as much of the world as I could. I’d wake up, hop on my bike, and go.”

Hendley eventually made his way back to Raleigh, just in time for the fall semester. There was a new college bar in town, and he quickly landed a job serving drinks to the students who packed the place. He also made a new friend, Tasha Craft. She worked at a bar across the street, and the two of them hit it off from the jump. She was unafraid to call him out on his carefree lifestyle and lack of focus, unflinching in her assessment of Hendley as an underachiever. He was barely attending class, blowing off assignments, and setting himself up for a life spent slinging drinks, one happy hour at a time. Tasha let him know about it. Her words hit hard. Hendley decided to take a break from bartending between semesters, head to his parent’s house in Boone, North Carolina, and get his act together.

Little did he know at the time, but his life – and the lives of countless others around the world – were about to change in beautiful, profound, and unimaginable ways.

There are myriad reasons given for the current crisis in Darfur, including one that traces back to the mid-1980s. As drought gripped the region, sand blew into fertile land and the rare rain washed away alluvial soil. Suddenly, the land could no longer support both herder and farmer. Many tribesmen had lost their stock and scratched at millet farming on marginal plots. In 2003, another scourge, now infamous, swept across Darfur. Janjaweed fighters in military uniforms, mounted on camels and horses, laid waste to the region. In a campaign of ethnic cleansing targeting Darfur’s blacks, the armed militiamen raped women, burned houses, and tortured and killed men of fighting age. Through whole swaths of Darfur, they left only smoke curling into the sky.

Doc Hendley knew none of this as he traveled home between semesters. He only knew that something was eating at him, and that his future was as formless as the gray winter sky overhead. Then, running an errand for his mother, he learned about Samaritan’s Purse, a humanitarian organization headquartered in Boone. Its focus was providing aid to victims of war, poverty, natural disasters, disease, and famine. By the time the conversation with his mother’s friend wound down, Hendley’s mind was in overdrive, so much so that he found sleep impossible. The phrase came to him sometime in the middle of the night, unexpectedly, hitting like a bolt of lightning. He snapped straight up in bed.

Doc Hendley – Digging wells in Cambodia
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Wine to water.

Hendley spent the rest of the night on his parent’s computer, discovering the world’s water crisis for the first time. He emerged the next day transformed.

“Everything crystalized,” he says. “I suddenly saw a way to not only make up for lost time, but to also make a difference.”

He called Tasha the next morning and hatched his plan for the first Wine To Water fundraising event. That it was held at a bar was not only apropos, it leveraged Hendley’s network of patrons. The fundraiser was a rousing success.

“More people showed up than we thought, and we raised a lot more money than we expected. It was a great way to start.”

Hendley soon had a meeting with Ken Isaacs, the director of Samaritan Purse’s international projects. Isaacs offered him the chance to get involved with his nonprofit, and Hendley jumped at the opportunity. Locales were discussed. Hendley asked to be dropped into the worst place in the world.

He spent the next year in Darfur.

“That trip changed my life,” Hendley says. “It was hot and it was dangerous, but it was also one of the most rewarding things I’ve ever done in my life. Darfur really set the stage for everything else.”

In 2007, Hendley launched Wine To Water. Since then, he’s smuggled water filters into Haiti and sneaked into war-torn Syria. He’s been honored as a CNN Hero, spoken to packed houses, and taken the stage for two Tedx events. There have been successful water projects in the Amazon and Tanzania. The one millionth person has been reached with clean water. And then, when the coronavirus pandemic hit, Hendley turned his attention closer to home, with Wine To Water’s Box Program providing more than 150,000 quality meals to those in need right here in the United States.

“If you find something that motivates you that much, it doesn’t matter who you are, then you can have a huge impact on the world around you.”

No, Doc Hendley isn’t a messiah.

He’s just an ordinary guy doing extraordinary things.

The world’s a better place because of it, that’s for damn sure.

COVID changed everything as we’ve just seen, including Wine to Water.

A lot has changed for us. I’m very thankful to say that, as an organization, our team is strong and capable. When something like a pandemic hits, you really have two choices; you can be fearful and freeze, and say to yourself, “Oh my gosh, everything’s gonna change, nothing’s ever going to be the same.” Because, in that moment, it’s only human instinct to freeze and hope for everything to blow over. Or, you can choose to react to the situation that’s presented, adapt, and take action. We’re an organization that doesn’t freeze very well. We adapt and react very well. So, when the coronavirus pandemic hit, we immediately began to pivot and shift to the changing environment.


Please give me an example.

Water and sanitation are our mission. That’s what we have done for years. It’s in a sector in the humanitarian world called WASH – water, sanitation, and hygiene. We’d never really gotten too deep into hand washing before – if we found a school that was really bad, sanitation-wise, and they needed hand-washing stations, we would install one for the school, but it wasn’t something that we were doing on a massive scale. When the pandemic hit, we knew hand washing was going to be vitally important for communities in the developing world. A lot of these small villages barely have water, much less the hand-washing supplies for people to practice safe hand hygiene.

Doc Hendley – Handing filters out on the border between Haiti and Dominican Republic
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How did you work to solve this problem?

We have water-filter factories based in various locations around the world that make water filters out of local materials. Those factories immediately pivoted and also began to make handwashing stations. They had welding machines, so they began to put them together with buckets, soap kits and all that kind of stuff. Since then, we’ve produced thousands of handwashing stations that have gone all over the world – throughout the Amazon jungle, Nepal, and East Africa. We’ve literally reached tens of thousands of people in recent months.


How has your organization been able to help frontline workers in the developing world?

PPE is something that frontline workers in the United States had a hard time accessing during the first few weeks of the pandemic. Now, for the most part, we’re able to get masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, and things like, and we can get these things anywhere and anytime we want. In the developing world – such as in some of the really remote villages near Maasai Mara, or in the Serengeti, or in some isolated regions of the Himalayan mountains – PPE is not so easy to access. Our teams are now distributing PPE for essential health care workers in those communities. Sometimes that means delivering to actual healthcare facilities or small clinics. Sometimes it’s just a local midwife, or a village elder who deals with everyone’s health. We’ve been able to get out PPE and kits to these individuals. That’s something that we’ve never done before.


COVID has been devastating here in the United States, not only in terms of lives lost, but also when it comes to people trying to feed their families and take care of their loved ones.

The service industry is what has really allowed us to be where we are today. In those early days, it was the servers, bartenders, and restaurant owners in the service industry that really believed in and supported our mission. Then, in 2020, the Governor of North Carolina shut down all restaurants for in-person seating. My brother owns and operates a restaurant here in my local community, and he had to lay off 50 people. He was in tears. He was one of tens of thousands – if not hundreds of thousands – of restaurant owners who had to do the same thing. We knew we had to do something to help.


How did Wine To Water step up?

We’ve got this great team, but we’d never responded to anything quite like this on a local level before. We had to ask ourselves, “What are they going to need?” Rent was an obvious thing, but a lot of these people – whether it’s a single mom coming in to grab a shift in the evening, or a college student who’s in debt – are living paycheck to paycheck. When faced with a pandemic, not only are they going to have a hard time with rent, but you have to wonder how they’re going to eat good food. So, we decided that we’d start by feeding some of our own staff before gradually expanding it to see what happened.

Doc Hendley – Working in a Wine to Water factory in the Dominican Republic
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It sounds like your Box Program has been a huge success.

That first week in our region in western North Carolina, we announced that we were gonna open it up to anyone that was having a hard time finding something to eat. All they had to do was come to us and we’d make sure they got a meal. We worked with a local bakery to provide baked bread. We were able to get local pastas and pasta sauces. We got frozen chicken that they could cook. We packed it all into boxes, 40 meals per box, and we said weren’t turning anyone away. We gave away 16,000 meals that first week. That was in the spring. By the end of February, we were approaching 200,000 meals.

If you would have said to me at the beginning of 2020, “Wine To Water is a water sanitation organization. Do you think that you’re ever going to feed people?” I would have been like, “No, I don’t think that’s in the cards for us.” But we do now, and I’m glad that we do it. It’s added such a really cool element for us, just being able to turn around and give back to the people that gave to us for so long. Now we’re there in a time of need for them.


Which gets back to your organization being agile and able to adapt.

A lot changed in those first six or seven short months. As I said, when something bad like a pandemic happens, the natural response is to freeze. When you’re afraid, a lot of times you don’t move. One of the things I’m so proud of about our team is they froze for maybe a second, and then they said, “What are we gonna do?” And then they began to pivot and run. It’s scary when you make a leap like that. You think, “Is it okay for a water organization to feed people?” We didn’t know, but we just knew that we loved our community and that we wanted to help them. So, the Wine to Water Box Program was born out of that.


We now have a vaccine and hopefully an end to the pandemic. What’s next for the Box Program?

Now that people are starting to get their jobs back, we’re in the process of evolving it into a disaster response program. When a hurricane hits the Gulf, for example, we’re gonna be able to ship these boxes to those who need them most. The boxes will morph a little. There’ll still be a few days’ worth of good food, but we plan to include some other things – maybe some hand sanitizer to help with hygiene, maybe a headlamp to help deal with the power outages – so that the boxes become more like emergency response kits.  Basically, we’re gonna take something that was a really great service to people during the pandemic, and mold it into a long-term benefit for our own people right here in the United States.


Let’s go back in time. Where did you grow up?

My family is originally from Greenville, South Carolina, which is where home base was for me as a younger person. We weren’t there long; my dad was a preacher man, so we had a hard time staying in one spot. He worked at a church in Georgia, and then he worked at another church outside of Chicago. Then we moved to Greensboro, North Carolina, where my dad took a job in the family business that my granddaddy started, which was the first time that we really stayed in one spot for a while. That’s where I went to high school.

Staying in one place during my high school years was great, but I guess I’d gotten bitten by the bug with all of that moving around. I tried college for a couple months, but that didn’t really work out well for me, so I moved to Montana in the late ‘90s and worked on a horse ranch. Then I spent a year in New Zealand before moving back in 2000 and getting into bartending. I took some classes at a community college, got accepted into North Carolina State University in Raleigh, and continued to bartend. I didn’t realize it then, but that really set the stage for what I’d later do with Wine to Water.

A woman and her child wash their hands at a Wine to Water well in Nepal
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It sounds like the service industry is in your DNA.

Bartending was my passion. The last bar I worked at was an Irish pub, and I loved being there at happy hour and seeing all these different walks of life – company CEOs sitting next to school teachers, stay-at-home moms sitting next to construction workers – which made for all these great conversations. I think I fell in love with the service industry because every time I tried to plug myself in somewhere, I never felt like I fit. I didn’t quite fit into the church world I grew up in, and I never perfectly fit into the academic world for sure. It was in the service industry that I got to be myself for the first time in my life.


Wine To Water was born in December, 2003. Where did the idea come from?

My whole life I never really excelled at much of anything. Growing up, I’d never really excelled at school or sports. As a bartender, I loved people but I wasn’t really the best at making drinks. I failed at a lot of stuff. I messed up in a lot of stuff. Especially at that time in my life – it just seemed that I was making mistakes back-to-back-to-back, and it was a bit overwhelming for me to try to work through all the mess. So, I was on Christmas break before my last semester of school, and asked for a couple of weeks off from my job at that Irish pub in Raleigh. My parents had just semi-retired to the mountain community of Boone, near the Tennessee border, so I went there to take a break from everything.

I remember it was the middle of the night, and I was tossing and turning in my bed and couldn’t sleep. The phrase ‘wine to water’ kept running through my head, over and over, which was backwards from the miracle story I’d learned about growing up. My dad had delivered many sermons based on Jesus turning water into wine. I just couldn’t figure out why the phrase itself was suddenly stuck in my head, playing backwards.

I ended up going downstairs to my parent’s computer and researching water, and I was blown away by the stuff I learned. I had no idea that there was a water crisis. No clue. I’d never learned about it in school. I’d traveled a lot, but I’d never traveled to the developing world. So, I didn’t know that a water crisis existed. I stayed up all night. I learned that there were young mommas walking with their kids, some of them up to four-or-five hours before the sun would come up, trying to get something that I have come out of my tap every day. And then, I learned that when they get that water, it looks more like chocolate milk or coffee. And that water, unfortunately, is the number one reason why a child isn’t going to see its fifth birthday, and why a lot of these mommas are going to bury one or more of their children, because of diarrheal disease they get through the dirty water they’re drinking. So, that night was the beginning. I jotted down all these notes on how I could maybe help the people that I was reading about. It took me six weeks to pull together the first Wine To Water event. That was February, 2004. By August, I’d quit my job and moved to Sudan.


How did bartending help prepare you to lead Wine To Water?

I think it was the most important decision I could have made, as far as to prepare myself for starting and running an international nonprofit. College played a role, but it was a very minor role in comparison to the skillset I learned through bartending. The ability to build a relationship with somebody who is completely different than me, the ability to make a connection with someone with a vastly different background, some of that comes naturally. But, bartending really helped me learn how to talk to anybody, from that white-collar CEO to a blue-collar construction worker, and everyone in-between.

Making a friend and drinking a Coke in Uganda
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Give me an example.

In Sudan, I might be in a situation where I have to make a connection with a rebel leader. For me, I didn’t say to myself, “Gosh, here’s a scary rebel leader that’s controlling an area with guns.” I immediately knew that the first thing I had to do was make a connection, and the best way to do that was over a meal. If you’re sitting and sharing a meal with someone, everyone becomes human. We all need to eat, we all love good food, and we all like to have good conversation. So, my first goal, whenever I’d meet a rebel leader or a village sheikh, was to ask if I could come and spend a few days with them and just hang out. I’d tell them that I didn’t have anywhere to be. My job was to get to know them and their communities, to see how I could serve their communities by providing them with water. In most cases, the response was overwhelmingly positive. The first meeting would usually start off with tea or coffee, and then you would eventually share a meal. It wasn’t like I had to hurry, because I didn’t have to be anywhere. So, those relationships were so easy to build because it was so natural. I don’t think I would have had that kind of success, had I not had that kind of experience in the service industry.


It sounds like people in developing countries are basically the same as people back home.

In Sudan, I was in as opposite a place as a guy like me could have ever imagined. I’m a Southern, white guy who grew up in a Christian home, and now I’m living in a 95% Islamic, tribal, Black, African community. I thought “Gosh, I don’t know if this is going to work out,” because I’m about as opposite of a person as anyone in these communities could imagine. I quickly felt ashamed that I allowed myself to think that, because the people in those villages overwhelmingly embraced me and my team. They welcomed us into their homes despite the differences. They loved us and made us feel a part of their community. These people would have given you the shirts off their backs. There might be this old lady living in a mud hut, and she might only have one chicken and one goat, and if I was a guest in her home she would gladly say, “Let’s eat this together.” I felt a sense of shame, because I’d allowed myself to believe the lie that the world tries to tell us about people that may be different from us. If bartending taught me anything, it’s that everyone has the same basic wants and needs, regardless of wealth and social status. Everybody wants to be happy, to be healthy, to be reasonably prosperous, and to be secure. They want friends, peace of mind, good family relationships, and hope that tomorrow is going to be even better than today. I was reminded of that when I met the people in Sudan.


I’m not sure that same level of generosity is universally displayed here in the U.S.

I come from a small-town community in the South, and the thing that I wrestled with after my year in Sudan was, “I wonder if people in our own community back home would treat them the same way that I was treated?” I still wrestle with it now because, unfortunately, I don’t think we’re doing a very good job of embracing and loving people that are very different from us.


There are cynics in the world who think that one person can’t make a difference. You’re living proof that that’s not the case.

I think that there are a lot of lies that we get told, just like the lie that I believed about not being welcomed into the communities of these developing countries. Another lie that we’re told, very indiscreetly, by what we see on the news – whether that’s on TV or something we read online – is that it’s only people like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie that can make a difference. That only Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, or the Mark Zuckerbergs of the world can make a difference. Not only do I not agree with that thought process, I believe that normal, regular, everyday people have the ability to profoundly change the world. It’s imperative that the world stops believing that lie, because the world needs us right now. We don’t need any more movie stars, or big politicians, or CEOs of big companies to tell us what the world needs. We need the school teachers, and the construction workers, and the stay-at-home mommas who are at the bar on a Friday for happy hour. We need those folks right now. I wish they were the ones calling the shots. We need them to stand up and realize that they have the ability to make a massive impact – and not just on a global level, but in our own communities. We need that now more than ever.

Doc Hendley – Takes a break from digging wells in Cambodia
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You’ve traveled to some dangerous places – countries with unstable governments, threats of violence, things like that. How do you navigate that?

I don’t really know much about politics, and I don’t really understand a lot of it, but I think the government was created to give people a voice. The idea was that the government would represent the people, because people want to be heard. The more I traveled, the more I learned that that wasn’t happening. What I’m learning more and more as I travel to places like Darfur in Sudan, is that as much as I would love for the people to have a voice, there are just so many things that are corrupt and rigged. I can spend all of my energy wishing it wasn’t that way, but I’d never get anything done. So, I have to recognize it for what it is, and not let that stop me and just keep moving. At the end of the day, I have to be able to navigate the cultures in the world.


There were times when your relationship-building skills meant the difference between life and death.

In the early days, a mentor of mine said that when you start doing this work, you’ll be going into some areas that aren’t safe or secure, and that you will need to make friends with the guys that have the most guns. That’s just what you’ve got to do. It started out literally that simple. In Sudan, I learned that the rebel groups were trying to protect their people, because the government was coming in and dropping bombs and committing genocide. So, I had to go to the different rebel leaders and communicate with them and build that relationship.


It sounds like government corruption can make it both difficult and dangerous to fulfill your mission.

Take Haiti, for example. I’d been trying to get supplies and water filters into the country. We’d even constructed a factory in Haiti, run by Haitians, to build water filters there. Haiti’s government collapsed when the earthquake hit. For the first time in modern Haitian history, there was a year where humanitarian groups were able to operate without having to deal with corruption. These groups came in droves, and they were able to serve and help and love many people – but the second the government offices started being rebuilt and the politicians started retaking their seats, then the corruption started all over again.

Within a year, the trucks that I had going across the border from the Dominican Republic to Haiti were being stopped. We’d never been stopped up to that point; we were just bringing in supplies to help people. Suddenly, we’re being stopped and told that we need to pay thousands of dollars to get through the border. Maybe I wasn’t as diplomatic as I could have been, but I told them that we weren’t paying that money. It just didn’t make sense to me. I even went down there myself and tried to get it across by driving straight through the border. That didn’t work out so well – we almost got into some trouble with that. I ended up driving this truck to the south of the island, where we hired someone with a massive, wooden fishing boat that looked like it was from 2000 years ago. We loaded all of the supplies onto it and sailed the ocean through the night. I had my team meet us on the beach, where we secretly unloaded everything and got the job done.


I’m sure that Haiti is hardly the exception.

The reality is that you have to deal with a lot of these countries where the government wasn’t created to be a voice of the people. Instead, you have dictatorships that only meet the needs of the elite. We recognize that. Does it suck? Yeah, it sucks. Is it going to stop us from doing our work? No, it’s not going to stop us. Because we’re a small, grassroots organization, we can fly under the radar a lot better than these massive, multibillion-dollar organizations that have to ask permission for everything. When it comes to corrupt governments, we’re not really good at asking permission [laughs].


What you do can be very dangerous. How has having children changed your perspective?

That’s a great question. When things first got going in those early years, back in 2003 and 2004, I wasn’t married and I didn’t have kids. I’ve been married for almost 15 years now and have three kids. I’d like to say that I wasn’t afraid when I first started traveling, but that isn’t the truth. I was afraid to go to a place like Darfur, but it was really the fear of the unknown. It wasn’t, “My gosh, I might not come back.” It was a fear of not having been there before.

I had two kids when I sneaked inside Syria after the war broke out. Generally, there’s a lot of anxiety in the days and weeks leading up to a trip like that. There are a lot of questions running through my head. But then you become a father and you think about other things. What if I don’t come back? What if my kids don’t get to have their father around? I never had those questions before. So, having kids definitely changed my thought process. it. However, once you’re on the ground, the job at hand helps to keep your mind occupied and the fear just goes away. In Syria, we were able to get 1,500 water filters to the families we were trying to help.


You hear of actors being nervous before they take the stage, and then everything changes when the curtain opens. Is it like that?

It’s hard to explain, but a calm comes over you. Whatever happens is gonna happen. On that December night in 2003, I don’t think I came up with this idea on my own. I really believe that this is a gift that was given to me. In doing this, I don’t always get it right. I fail a lot. But, by doing this, that, I’m being obedient to this gift that I’ve been given. I’m trying to follow what is meant for my life. So, the second I get on the ground in Syria or wherever, it’s just like, “This is where I’m supposed to be and what I’m supposed to be doing. Whatever happens, happens.”

The same thing happens when I get an opportunity to be on the stage and talk and speak. People ask me if I get nervous and I do get nervous speaking in front of large groups of people. I don’t know how many I’ve done, but I get terrified every time. Sometimes I have so much anxiety that I almost pass out. But the second I step foot on that stage and start sharing my story, the fear just goes away.

Doc Hendley accepts his award from Julia Louis-Dreyfus
at the 2009 CNN Heroes: An All-Star Tribute

Do you see yourself as a leader?

That’s a tough question. My thoughts on leadership have evolved a lot since I started Wine To Water. In the early years, I thought I’d love to lead people and be considered a great leader. I think a lot of people think that way. As the years went on, the glimmering light of leadership faded quickly for me. I was like, “I don’t really know if this is something that I want so much.”


What part of leadership don’t you like?

It was very tangible for me to see this organization that I love so much begin to grow – we gained so much exposure from CNN and having the book come out – and then, for some crazy reason, we started to plateau. About 10 years in, we kind of started dying off and that’s when I realized that I couldn’t keep the wheels on this thing. I wasn’t great at hiring and firing, and I wasn’t great at having the hard conversations with staff members when they weren’t doing the best job. To me, the relational confrontation really was more terrifying to me than a physical confrontation. I realized then that I wasn’t cut out for this, that my lack of leadership was choking the organization, and that Wine To Water was struggling because of me. The buck stops here. So, I began a search. I found somebody, David Cuthbert, who came onboard and agreed to be our CEO. He brought a lot of great experience – 10 years of leadership in military special operations, and 10 years of leadership in the private sector – and he helped to build a highly functioning team. In five years as Wine To Water’s CEO, he helped grow our organization from four people to a team of over 50 today. We have international headquarters in Nepal, East Africa, Colombia, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic.

Then, after five years as our CEO, he decided that it was time to step down and serve on the board. We had a discussion, and he was like, “Do you want to step back into this role?” I had learned a lot from him, so I felt like I was ready this time around. I’ve been in this role for a year now, and I love it. He helped to develop a number of leaders who are amazing at leading their teams and great at doing their jobs. That really helps me, because I still get to do what I’m good at. I’m a dreamer, someone who can help the organization shift when something like COVID hits. I can help the organization be nimble and maneuver. I’m not an operations guy. Thanks to David, we have those people on staff now. That allows me the freedom to dream and chase ideas and fail along the way.


You don’t strike me as someone who seeks the limelight. What was it like to be recognized by CNN Heroes in 2009?

That was a very surreal experience. I remember getting on the stage and looking out, and, I was kind of in shock. Being backstage moments before that, with all of these different celebrities who were going to introduce the nominees…it was surreal. It was such an honor. The next sixth months were a blur. I had an opportunity to write a book about the story of Wine To Water, and from there I got to share the story through what seemed an endless stream of speaking engagements.

It’s funny, but in the early years of Wine To Water I couldn’t help but think about how awesome it would be if the whole world knew about our mission. I wanted more people to hear our story, but I couldn’t quite figure out how to do that. Then I thought how great it would be if some Hollywood movie star told our story. I just thought that would be super cool. So, it was totally surreal when CNN Heroes came along when it did. Movie stars were talking about Wine To Water in a way that I had fantasized about early on. It was a great way to get the word out about our cause. But the thing that makes us unique is that our organization isn’t made up of big-name people. That’s what I love about who we are. We’re a team of ordinary people who come together to do extraordinary things.

Doc Hendley and his family
Photo courtesy Wine to Water

Final Question: If you had one piece of advice in terms of making a difference, what would that be?

I hear it a lot: A lot of people, especially the younger generation, want to do something to make a difference. They tell me that they want to start an organization like Wine To Water, and then they tell me that they don’t have all of their ducks in a row. They feel like they’ve got to have their act together first – a college degree at a minimum, or a master’s degree, or maybe even a doctorate. Again, I think that’s one of those lies that we’ve been told that limit us. Subliminally, we’re told that we need to have all of this stuff before we can do this or that.

My advice to those who want to make a difference is simple: The best thing you can do is just start. Don’t wait for permission. Don’t wait until you have enough degrees. Just do it. Go ahead and take that first step. Is it gonna be an immediate success? Probably not. Are you going to fail? Probably so – and probably more times that you care to count. But I promise you, you’re going to learn a lot more from your failures than you ever will by hitting the ball out of the park.

Written By: Michael D. McClellan |

Interventional cardiologists aren’t supposed to be this cool.

Dr. Samuel Kojoglanian joins the Zoom call from his office in Southern California, the USC grad overcoming all manner of obstacle to become one of the most respected specialists in his field, his journey from the war-torn Middle East to sunny SoCal a testament to faith, family, and fearlessness. He’s nothing like you might expect; while most doctors come to the game equipped with the requisite compassion needed to connect with patients and their families, Kojoglanian – Dr. Sam to those who know him best – is über high-relational, his charismatic personality infectious and easy to love, especially to those facing difficult conversations. Kojoglanian is an unscripted jazz riff in a medical world filled with concertos. He’s loquacious, spontaneous, generous, and authentic. His vibe reflects his upbringing; confident yet humble, driven yet down-to-earth. He’s a hugger, something that’s become harder to do during the coronavirus pandemic. He’s a giver – of his time, his energy, and his money. Above all else, Kojoglanian is a disciple of Christ and a man whose choices are driven by the Word of God.

“You can’t go wrong serving people,” he says, when asked about his mission in life. “You can’t go wrong loving people. God made it clear that I could rock this world if I put my priorities aside and focused on His will instead.”

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Today, Dr. Sam pours his heart and soul into his practice, the Santa Clarita-based Mender of Hearts, where he has been honored with the prestigious Patient’s Choice Award three years running. Of the 900,000 active physicians in America, only 6% receive the award. Even more telling: Less than 3% of all active physicians receive the Most Compassionate Award. Dr. Sam has three of those as well. Those qualities only scratch the surface of what he brings to the table. His Beacon of Hearts ministry brings together volunteer staff from Third World countries. By partnering with pastors, churches, and medical personnel, an army of volunteers is set in motion to serve those without access to adequate medical and dental care – all while also delivering the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

“The ministry that God has given me is special, because it’s not just preaching the gospel,” Dr. Sam says. “That part is obviously very important for the soul, and it’s our main priority, but we are also able to feed people who are indigent. We treat hypertension, diabetes, and high cholesterol. We educate people on the importance of making dietary changes. We evangelize the benefits of physical activity. It’s all part of fulfilling God’s will.”

The pandemic may have paused Dr. Sam’s mission overseas, but it hasn’t slowed him down. He continues to write, focusing his attention on the Book of Revelation. Rev It Up series sheds important light on one of the more complicated books in the Bible.

“Nobody really understands the Book of Revelation,” Kojoglanian says. “It has taken me four years to come up with this series, which is comprised of two books: Rev It Up – Verse by Verse – Vol. 1, which covers Chapters 1 through 11, and Rev It Up – Verse by Verse – Vol. 2, which covers Chapters 12 through 22. The two volumes together are almost 1,000 pages in total, but don’t let the size intimidate you. I made it very easy to understand. There are beautiful illustrations. There are little hearts throughout that clue the reader in to what is really cool. There are easy-to-understand medical references, where I discuss how medicine aligns to the Bible. There are also geopolitical references, where I draw parallels between the Book of Revelation and what’s going on in places like the United States, Israel, Russia, and China. These aren’t today’s headlines. They’re tomorrow’s headlines. All of it discussed verse-by-verse.”


The Rev It Up series also has a couple of other intriguing offerings.

Rev It Up – Rhyme by Rhyme is something that nobody has ever done before. This is the Book of Revelation in poetry. Rev It Up – Image by Image brings the Book of Revelation to life in a tangible, more understandable, and relatable way. The front cover is insane. Most of the time, the pictures that you see depicting the Book of Revelation are kind of cheesy. These are not cheesy. These are the real deal.”

Kojoglanian has other books in the works, including Rev It Up for Kids. He has a thriving practice that continues to save lives. He continues to plan his next mission trip overseas. All of it while keeping Christ front and center.

“God has put me on this earth to do my part, and to make this world a better place,” he says. “I may be one person, but baby, I was put on earth to rock this whole planet in the name of Jesus Christ, and I’m going to do it.”

Take me all the way back.

It’s a fascinating story that starts in Jerusalem. You won’t believe this, but I was born in a hospital in Mount of Olives. The reason that we were in Jerusalem to begin with was an enormous massacre conducted by the Turkish people in 1915, during which approximately 1.5 million Armenians were killed. It’s known today as the Armenian Genocide. My grandparents had to flee, and they ended up in an Armenian diaspora, which is an Armenian community located outside of Armenia. Some fled to Lebanon, while others, including my grandparents, ended up in Jerusalem. So, lo and behold, I was born smack dab in the middle of the Holy City – the holiest city in the world – and I was brought up on the Via Dolorosa, the processional route in the Old City of Jerusalem. That’s the path that Jesus walked on the way to his crucifixion. That was my backyard. I have chills on my arms just thinking about it!


What childhood memories to you have of your time in Jerusalem?

We played marbles. We ran up and down the street and played soccer. My dad would take us to Bethlehem and say, “This is where Jesus was born,” but we were just kids at the time. We were like, “Seriously? Can’t we go somewhere else fun?” We learned a lot of languages while we were in Jerusalem, but I didn’t know English just yet. Little did I know that it would become my main language.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

How old were you when you realized you wanted to be a doctor?

Two great things happened in my life at the age of five, and one of them was in the tablet of my heart. It was like an awakening. I don’t know if that happens to all five-year-old children, but it did to me. I sensed that God was saying I’d be a heart doctor when I grew up. He said, “I’ve called you to touch the hearts of mankind.” That’s when the second great thing happened: I gave my life to Christ.


What church did you attend in Israel?

I grew up in a Nazarene church. I think my mama taught me Bible verses when I was in the womb [laughs]. I wasn’t a Christian when I was born, because you can’t be born Christian, but I went to church and Sunday school. My mama made it clear from an early age that you may have many friends in life, and they might say that they’ve got your back, but truly, truly, truly, there’s only one person that’s got your back, and that’s Jesus Christ. He is powerful. He is good. He is kind. If you want to serve others, and if you want to be a light to the world and a salt to this earth, then you put your faith in Jesus. It’s been nothing but sweet to follow Him.


The Middle East can be a dangerous place. Was it like that for you?

We had soldiers pointing guns at us when we went to school. That was the norm for us, so you don’t really think about it. Still, we wanted to get to school safely. It could be scary. There might be bombs falling, but that was the norm and you didn’t know otherwise. You didn’t think that you were supposed to be riding a school bus, and that the school bus is supposed to be yellow, and that it’s supposed to have a stop sign that folds out to alert oncoming traffic to the children crossing the street. You’re not growing up in that kind of environment, so you accept your reality at the time because that’s all you know.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Is that why your family moved to the United States?

I remember my dad saying, “One day you’re gonna thank me because we’re leaving this place. We’re going to go to a place called America. I didn’t understand this at the time, but my dad used to work long days, oftentimes 16 hours or more. He didn’t do it to get rich. He wanted his kids to taste America. He wanted us to go to the other milk and honey land. Why? Because Jerusalem was a warzone. He worked very hard for many years to get us to America.


Your family relocated to Tennessee. That had to be a culture shock.

My uncle was already living in Chattanooga, and he told my father that it was a lovely place to raise your children. He explained that the people there are nice. It’s the South. It’s the Bible Belt. The people in the South see you and they are like, “Hey, honey.” If you don’t say ‘hi’ then they’re like, “What’s wrong with you, baby?” They’re gonna hug you. We moved from a war-torn country to a place like that, so I loved it. And then later we moved to Cali [California] where people don’t speak. If you speak to them, they look at you like they’re gonna take you down [laughs].


You had your friends in Jerusalem. How did you fit in with the kids in your new hometown?

It was crazy. My last name is Kojoglanian, and I have dark hair and brown eyes. Everybody there was a Smith or a Jones, and most everyone had blonde hair and blue eyes. They’re wearing Nike shoes and Levi’s jeans. I’ve got on sandals and pantalones. They’re hip-hop cool. I’m just a foreigner boy. I didn’t make sense to people.


Was it hard adjusting to your new school in the United States?

I remember the first day of school very clearly. The teacher went one-by-one and was like, “Who’s got their lunch?” I started crying because I didn’t know what lunch was. Everybody was like, “Yes, I got my lunch. I got my lunch.” I didn’t know what lunch was, baby. It was a difficult transition as a fourth grader.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Bullying is a big thing today with social media. Were you every bullied for being different?

I was beat up in school, and not because I was a thug. I was just different. I didn’t know how to speak no English, and some people say that I still don’t know how [laughs]. I remember getting hit on the nose on the playground, and I ended up in the hospital ER because we couldn’t stop the bleeding. I told my mom and dad that I wanted to go back to Jerusalem.


How did you overcome this adversity?

My mama and daddy told me two things: One, you sit on your butt and you study hard, because that’s why we came to America. And two, if you want to fight with these people, if you want to knock them out, then you get on your knees and pray to the Lord. You pray that He gives you the grace and the strength to weather the storm. They promised me that things would change if I did that, and they did.


In what ways?

As a fourth-grader, I remember sitting in the school auditorium with 900 kids and watching the awards ceremony. One of those awards was for the best all-around student. Over the next two years I went hog wild. I started praying and I started studying. I learned the English language. I served my community. I played sports. I joined the choir. I sold the most candy bars in the history of my elementary school in the fifth and sixth grade. Then, at the end of my sixth-grade year, we were in the same auditorium having this huge graduation ceremony. They handed out award-after-award. I didn’t think I’d win anything, but, at the end of the ceremony, the school principal announced that Samuel Kojoglanian had been voted by the students and teachers as the best all-around student.

I stand here today and give God the glory for that. Two years’ worth of hard work by a boy who was not only beat up, but who had tasted bigotry and hatred. I was like, “No, no, no…on my knees, and on my butt. Pray and study. I’m gonna change this place. I’m not going to be a victim. With God’s help, I get to choose.” We weren’t rich. We weren’t privileged. We came to America with a purpose of serving and loving people. My mama and daddy were right. I listened, I gave myself fully to the Lord, and I turned my life around in a matter of two years. I give God the glory for that. When I speak today, I share the advice that my parents gave me. Today I hear people say, “I’m the wrong color, I’m the wrong creed, I’m the wrong sex.” Wait. You’re the wrong nothing. God made you just like you are for a specific reason. You are the light of the world, and you are the salt of the earth. You can rock this planet if you want, it’s all up to you. Sit down on your butt and study hard, and get on your knees and pray. Let’s change this world. That’s my whole attitude in life, man.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Today you’re a world-renowned doctor. What was your journey like?

We moved to Cali and I took my undergrad at the University of Southern California. Of all the schools in the world, USC was where I wanted to study. My whole life was geared towards becoming a doctor. I went to USC for three years, and I excelled in my classes. Then, when the time came, I took the MCAT, which is the Medical College Admissions Test. What a nightmare! I had studied like a mad boy. I thought I had done good on it. I was like, “Yeah! Praise God!” And then I got my scores. I went ahead and applied to nine colleges and universities that have medical schools in California. One-by-one, the schools wrote back and rejected my application. All I ever wanted to do was become a doctor, so that I could serve and love God by serving and loving people. My world started to crumble. It was a very disappointing and discouraging time in my life.


Did you hit the panic button?

I was a senior at USC. I had majored in psychology and biology, and all I could think of was, “What do I want to do with that? Am I going to sell pharmaceuticals? Medical equipment? Am I going to teach?” People were always coming at me like, “Did you get into medical school? We know you’re in, right?” It was so embarrassing. It was total humiliation.

I regrouped and studied like a mad boy again. I took the MCAT again. I applied to medical school again. This time around I decided to add a different wrinkle – I also applied to the Graduate School at USC, with the goal of pursuing a Master’s in Gross Anatomy and Microbiology. That would at least let me get my foot in the door. The problem was, they were picking three candidates for the program. I’m was Number 4. I prayed to God, “Lord, can you take out Number 3 because I can’t get into the program unless a spot opens up.” That is not good prayer. I had to ask for forgiveness. He didn’t take out anyone, and I didn’t get in.


How many medical schools did you apply to the second time around?

I applied to 18. My mindset was, “If you can’t get into nine, double it up and try 18.” And again, I decided to try something different, another wrinkle – I had learned about a limited status student program, which allowed individuals with a bachelor’s degree to take a limited number of courses at USC without formally applying for admission to the university. You get to enter the medical school, not as a master’s student, not as a medical student, but as someone who takes courses with them, just to get a feel for the program. I met with the admitting professor and said, “I will give you my heart and soul. I will serve your university, I will serve you, and I will serve the students.” He said that he’d never seen such passion. He let me into the program.


So, you’re in medical school at USC, but you’re technically not a medical school student.

This was my backup plan, because I was sure that one of the 18 medical schools that I had applied to would accept me. However, one-by-one, I started getting all of these reject letters – 17 of them to be exact. I was beginning to feel like a failure again and then, bam, I got an interview at Loma Linda University in Southern California. This was my chance. I met with the kindest lady, and she asked me, “What will you do if you don’t get into medical school?” I responded by saying, “I guess if I don’t get in, I’ll do psychology so that I can at least help people.” That was the wrong answer, baby. She didn’t want to hear that. I should have said, “If I don’t get in, I will learn from my mistakes. I will break down the walls and the iron gates that are before me, and then, if the door is locked, I’ll find another way to get into medical school. I’ll find a window. I’ll climb down the chimney. I’ll do whatever it takes.” She as looking for that kind of dedication. Instead, Loma Linda became my eighteenth rejection.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Did you experience doubt that you were meant to be a doctor?

At the time I had a poster on my door of an F-35 fighter jet that takes off vertically, and the slogan said, “Aim High.” That was my life. I had always aimed high. But my world was falling apart. People were telling me that maybe I’d missed the boat. Maybe I wasn’t meant to be a doctor. Maybe I had heard God wrong. It was painful for me. I was hearing these things, my heart was crushed, and I felt like a loser. It didn’t feel like there was any way out. I tore the poster off my door and I hurled it under my bed. Then, in my darkest moment, I got on my knees. I said, “Lord God, what is happening? What’s going on?” I’ve never heard the Lord audibly, but at this moment I heard him in my heart. He said, “Don’t call me Lord. I’m not your Lord. I’m your Savior, but I’m not your Lord. Medicine is your Lord. You worship medicine.”

That day, I made the hardest decision in my life. I said, “I’m making you my Lord, and I will give you medicine. If you decide to take it away from me then you may take it. If you do take it away from me, part of my heart will die, but I would rather have you than medicine. I would rather worship you than medicine. I’d rather be on the right path than the wrong path. You are the way, the truth, and the light.”


In what ways did God answer your prayer?

I reapplied for the master’s program, and this time I got in. Then, seven days later, a dean in the medical school called me. My first thought was, “I’ve only been in the master’s program for seven days and I’m getting kicked out.” Instead, he said, “We’ve been watching you, and we want to know if you would like to teach our medical students.” He went on to explain that they were short a teacher, and that they wanted me to be a teaching assistant…to teach medical students at the University of Southern California! It was an insane phone call. Here I was, rejected by 27 medical schools, a year into the limited status student program, and a week into my master’s program…and they wanted me to teach students at one of the most prestigious colleges in the world. At that point I’m looking up to the Lord, and I’m like, “Baby, you’re good!”


How did you handle the opportunity?

I taught those students like crazy! It was an amazing time in my life – a medical school reject who had tasted bigotry and hatred was suddenly teaching medical students. I was different – I came in playing rap music, and they were like, “Who is this?” We’d go out to lunch and dinner, and we studied together like crazy. It energized them, and it reenergized me. I still wasn’t a medical student, but I was convinced that God’s grace would prevail and that my prayers would be answered.


There’s an old adage that the third time’s the charm. Was that true in your case?

I finished my master’s program, and I applied to one medical school. This was my third try. I’d taken the MCAT five times. This was it. A 12-person committee was going to decide my fate, and they knew all of this. They weren’t going to seriously consider me. They were going to reject me again, but God had other plans. He had touched the heart of an African-American lady on the committee named Althea.

Althea had been watching me work with those medical students. She saw me giving my love to them. She saw me helping them even though I wasn’t being paid for all of these extra hours I put in. Althea said, “I’m sorry, but hang on just one minute. I have watched this kid work like a dog for the past three years. He’s won the Teacher of the Year Award at the University of Southern California two years in a row. The medical students love him. He has excelled in pursuing his master’s degree. He has proven to you that he belongs in this place. If you don’t accept him, then perhaps I’m on the wrong committee.” On that day in 1991 I was unanimously voted into the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

That is a testament to the power of perseverance.

I remember when I was trying to get into medical school as an undergrad, there was one professor that said, “Son, you don’t have what it takes to be a medical doctor.” I’m telling you, I have memorized this man’s face, because there might come a time when he ends up on my table. I’m going to be like, “Remember me? Thank you, because I remember you.” And not out of vengeance, but because I had decided to rise above. I had decided to Jesus Christ my Savior and my Lord. God was with me even everyone else had given up.


Do you think that God moved Althea to speak up for you?

I’ll share another story, and then you can decide. Fast-forward a number of years. I’m working in interventional cardiology, and one day a code goes off in the ER. They call for Dr. Kojoglanian to come down. We’re saving this man’s life – he dies, he comes back, he dies again. We’re pouring our souls into getting him back. At one point I’ve got to go talk to the family in the ER, and I run into Althea, who I haven’t seen in 10 years. We share a moment and I tell her that I love her, and that I’ve got to go talk to the family of this patient. She grabs my arm, holds my hand, and says, “No, you’re not going anywhere. That man’s life you just saved, that’s my husband.”

I had tears in my eyes. She said that she knew there was some reason that she’d spoken up for me. It was an incredibly power moment. That was God’s hand at work. That was God’s plan. You tell me the odds of being in Los Angeles, with all of the hospitals we have, and the millions of people that live there…and then, 10 years after Althea helps me get into medical school, her husband ends up in my hospital, when I’m on call, and I’m leading the team that gets to save his life.


If you weren’t close friends before, I’m sure that you are now.

That day she called me Black Jesus [laughs]. That day I got the biggest promotion of my life – I went from a white, Armenian cardiologist, all the way straight up to Black Jesus!


You are in the minority in the medical world – you are a man of faith, and a man of science. Most in your profession feel that the two are mutually exclusive.

People think that science and faith are incompatible. I believe otherwise. Why? Because God created science. He is so far ahead of science. For instance, it took mankind a little while to figure out that the earth is round. In Isaiah, Chapter 40, Verse 22, it says, “The Lord sits enthroned upon the circle of the earth, and all its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.” The Lord proclaimed that the earth was round long before science figured it out.

God is always right. In the Book of Leviticus, Chapter 17, it says that the life of the creature is in its blood. God is telling you that blood makes life. George Washington, our first president, was bled to death. He was 67 at the time, and had been out in the cold weather and got wet. He ended up with a sore throat, which led to an infection. It could have been strep, who knows. The point is, the doctors who treated him decided that the best approach was to bleed him. They then bled him four more times over the next eight hours, with a total blood loss of 40 percent. At the time they thought that taking out his blood would save his life. It wasn’t that long ago that we said to ourselves, “Wait, maybe blood is important. Maybe we should perform blood transfusions rather than bleeding people.” Well, look at what God said to us 3,500 years ago! God put it in the book of Leviticus, that the life of the creature is in the blood!

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

What is your take on evolution?

People like to say that we evolved from monkeys, or that we came from an amoeba. Seriously? Our bodies are so complex, and yet we came from a one cell amoeba? I believe in micro-evolution if you will, where maybe the length of a bird’s beak changes, but a bird will never turn into a dog. There may be 300-plus species of dog – you’ve got our German Shephard, your beagle, and on-and-on – but a dog will never turn into a wolf.


There are a lot of atheists in your profession.

I love all people. I don’t go, “He’s an atheist. He’s this, he’s that.” I love all people. I truly believe that there was a time when everyone actually believed in God. Sin changed everything. You can think what you want to, that’s your choice, but God is going to love you anyway. At some point we decided to become kings of our own souls. We decided that there is no God. But those same people, you put them in a foxhole and there are bullets whizzing past their heads, the first thing they do is look for God to save them. How did God suddenly become real in a life-or-death situation? I thought you were an atheist.


Your warmth and magnetic personality set you apart from other doctors. 

The Number 1 complaint from patients and their families is how the doctor treats them. They’ll say, “You didn’t even look at me. You looked at your computer the whole time. You didn’t listen to me.” I always go back to Jesus, and the compassion he showed. He didn’t say, “I’m God, I walk on water, you can’t touch me.” Jesus let the kids come and sit on his lap. That’s how I want to treat people. I want to treat them as I want to be treated. I treat people as if they’re my family. I always ask myself how I would want someone to treat my mom or my dad. When I enter a room, I don’t go, “Hello, Mr. Smith, how are you today?” I’m like, “What’s up, kids? How y’all doing today?” They’re like, “Oh my gosh, he just called us his kids, and we’re 95 years old.”


Do you ever have someone question your sincerity?

I’m real. This is who I am. It’s not an act. It doesn’t matter if I’m one-on-one with a patient, or I’m on a stage talking to 10,000 people. In fact, when I look out at an audience that size, I know that there are people out there hurting. It doesn’t matter if they have a blue-collar job or they’ve got Grammy Awards on their mantel, when the lights go down everyone is the same.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Sometimes the more fame you have, the easier it is to go down a dark path.

People today are lost, and it doesn’t matter how much money or fame they have. Why else would they be drowning themselves in alcohol and drugs? At the end of the day, what do all of the trophies and accolades mean? If those things solved everything, why would they still be angry, agitated, lonely and depressed? Whether they realize it or not, there’s something in our souls that seeks eternity, that seeks a God, that seeks a love that’s unconditional and unfailing and unmatched…a love that can only come from Jesus Christ.


Do you find yourself walking a fine line with your faith as a doctor?

There’s a time for everything. There’s a time to say, “Hey, you need the Lord Jesus Christ,” and then there are times when I need to shut up and save somebody’s life because they’re dying right in front of me.


I would imagine that not everyone is receptive to your message.

One day, I was working in a hospital and I saved a man’s life. By God’s grace, we were able to put a stent in his heart and save him from the widow maker. He ended up in the ICU, where he was barely making it. His wife was bawling and crying, there were nurses present, and suddenly the Lord spoke to me. He said, “Tell him about Jesus.” I’m like, “Lord Jesus, you’ve got the wrong man, you have the wrong time, and you got the wrong ICU!” Then it hit me: I tried to tell the Creator that He was wrong [laughs]. He spoke to my heart again and I’m like, “Jesus, look, there are four nurses here. This is not proper. This is not the right time to tell him about Jesus Christ.” And then, as I turned to exit the room, He said, “You need to turn around now, because this is your only chance to tell this man about me. He will never respond ever again.”

Now I’m sweating. I’m sure I’m going to get reported; somebody’s going to say something and the hospital administration is going to come down hard on me. In that moment, I decided that I didn’t care. It was more important for me to be obedient. I was doing anything illegal. I wasn’t doing anything immoral. I was just sharing the love of Jesus Christ. Imagine if I had discovered a cure for COVID-19 and I only shared it with myself and my family. Shame on me. Jesus Christ is love. He is goodness. He is great. He has mercy. Jesus Christ is the cure for the soul. Everyone born in sin is going to die one day, and we only have two places to go – heaven or hell. Jesus said, “I’m the way, the truth, and the light. Nobody comes to the Father except through me.”

On the way out the door I thought, “What gonna happen if he dies tonight?” So, I went back to him and explained that he had almost died. He thanked me for saving his life, and I explained that there was a moment when I actually watched him die on the table. I said, “Your coronary artery was blocked 100%, but now the flow is open and your heart’s happy because it’s receiving nutrition.” I explained that Jesus had done the same for us on Calvary. He died for you. He died for me. He died on the cross to save us. I said, “If you accept his blood and say, ‘Lord God, I’m a sinner,’ then the artery to your soul will be unblocked.”

I asked him if he would pray with me, and he did. Now, everybody’s looking at me. There are even more nurses in the room, and I just know for sure that I’m in trouble. I didn’t care. The patient had tears running down his cheeks. His wife was bawling. One of the nurses came up to me after I left the room and she said, “Dr. Kojoglanian, I’ve been in an ICU nurse for 25 years, and I’ve never, ever seen something so beautiful. The wife comes after me next. She goes, “We’ve been praying for my husband for 15 years – me, my family, the whole church – but he has not come to Christ. And finally, he comes to Christ because of what you did.” That is the beauty of Jesus Christ. He tells me to use the gifts that he’s given me. Jesus does the hard part. In this case, all I had to do was start the conversation.


Your ministry has taken you all over the world.

There’s a certain joy that comes from serving people. Whether we’re in the Philippines, Singapore, Hong Kong, Armenia, Argentina, or Africa, we are there for a very specific reason. If I go and tell people that Jesus loves them and they need to be saved, that is the ultimate reward, but that doesn’t make a lot of practical sense. We first honor the people by helping them medically. We work in some very crude conditions, because we’re talking about Third World countries in many cases. There’s barely any water. The people are indigent. They don’t have shoes or adequate clothing. They don’t have food. We treat them as patients first, and we do it dirt cheap. We recruit nurses and doctors through my ministry, Beacon of Hearts, and we provide them with medication for things like diabetes, hypertension, and high cholesterol. And then, when we’ve addressed their medical needs, we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s beautiful, because we get to touch the hearts of the patients that we serve. We get to touch the body, the mind, the heart, and the soul.

Photo Courtesy Dr. Sam Kojoglanian

Final Question: If you had one piece of advice for others, what would that be?

You have to put your faith in Jesus Christ. It’s important to stay low, stay humble, stay true, stay obedient, and serve mankind. I fail on a daily basis, but I am sold out on Jesus Christ, so my failures are transformed into opportunities. I’m His servant, and because of that I can serve others. Trust the Word of God. Believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You will find yourself blessed in ways that were previously unimaginable.

Written By: Michael D. McClellan |

David Tong’s office has a view of the courtyard where Sir Isaac Newton once lived, and just beyond that, the location of the famous apple tree that gave birth to Newton’s theory of gravitation. Tong, like Newton, is a fellow of Trinity College, and his gig as theoretical physicist at the University of Cambridge comes with a myriad of such history-infused perks. He’s lectured in the same room as Michael Faraday, considered the godfather of electromagnetism; roamed the same halls as Sir J.J. Thomson, the Nobel Laureate credited with the discovery of the electron; and worked in the same lab (Cavendish Laboratory) where 30 researchers have gone on to win Nobel Prizes. Tong’s area of focus is quantum field theory, a topic made popular in the mainstream by the Large Hadron Collider, located in Geneva, Switzerland. Remember the LHC? The switch got flipped, and billions of protons flew around a seventeen-mile loop at nearly the speed of light until they smashed together hard, harder than any subatomic particles have ever been smashed together on earth. It was the greatest, most anticipated, most expensive experiment in the history of mankind. It also proved the existence of the elusive Higgs boson, better-known in pop culture as the “God particle,” which was the last holdout particle remaining hidden during the quest to check the accuracy of the Standard Model of Physics. Tong, like the rest of the scientific community at the time, was keenly interested in the experiments at the LCH, but he was hardly surprised by the results.

“It was almost anticlimactic,” Tong says of the July 4, 2012, discovery of the Higgs. “The science had long predicted the existence of the Higgs boson, and the fact that it agreed with the Standard Model made absolutely perfect sense. Nonetheless, it was a profound discovery.”

Photo Courtesy David Tong

Tong pauses. He understands that, for the most of us, the Standard Model is a complete and utter snoozefest.

“The theory, to put it simply, is the pinnacle of science,” he continues, in his gentlemanly British accent. “It’s the greatest theory we’ve ever come up with, and yet we’ve given it the most astonishingly rubbish name you’ve ever heard of. The Standard Model. You can’t get much more boring than that.”

Born in Crawley, England, David Tong came of age at a time when Britain was being convulsed by a social, cultural and political counter-revolution. Margaret Thatcher emerged as the political face of the decade. There was violence on the football terraces and on the inner-city streets. Graffiti artists like Robert Del Naja, otherwise known as 3D, came to symbolize the disaffected youth in the dark dystopia of 1980s Bristol. The forces that drove the punks and new wave bands that followed them were similar to those that motivated the Thatcherite ideologues – profound desire for consensus-breaking transformation. This was also a time of great innovation in pop music, as bands inspired by the can-do attitude of the punks and by the art-school cool of David Bowie began to experiment with synthesisers and computers, new technologies that would change forever the way music was made. Tong is a reflection of this creative-yet-turbulent period in British history. He emerged from humble beginnings, growing up in a working class neighborhood, himself as ordinary a boy as you might imagine. The 2008 winner of the Adams Prize, the highest honor at Cambridge University, is a real genius who has made it on his own steam, socioeconomic barriers be damned.

“That period was hard on Britain’s working class,” Tong replies, when asked about those bleak days during the ‘80s. “We weren’t alone in that respect. Everyone else was in it right along with us.”

Trinity College – University of Cambridge

Talk to him today and you’ll discover that Tong’s just as comfortable ranking Aerosmith’s discography as he is theorizing about dark energy, the mysterious antigravitational force causing everything in the universe to repel everything else. Close your eyes and it’s easy to imagine him making regular hit-and-run raids on London to visit clubs such as the Wag, the Electric Ballroom, the Cha-Cha under the arches at Charing Cross, and the Camden Palace. That’s because Tong, for all of his genius, did his fair share of partying during his late teens and early twenties.

“Let’s just say there were times when I could have applied myself more,” he says with a laugh. “It took a while for me to prioritize things properly.”

Tong’s life at that time, like everything else during the mid-80s, became becalmed. Britain’s fiercest political battles had been fought and won. The miners were defeated. Free-market fundamentalism was the new orthodoxy. People began to feel richer. The pop music was dismal. The culture became coarser and more reactionary. Tong would make his way north from Crawley to London in search of the latest concert, unsure of how he’d make it back home after. Memories just as meaningful as his road to higher learning.

“I had so much fun on those trips to London,” he says. “We got to see so many great concerts, and some bad ones, too.”

Tong attended Hazelwick, a comprehensive school whose notable pupils include Laura Moffatt, a Crawley native and former member of Parliament. From there he attended the University of Nottingham, earning his Bachelor of Science in Mathematical Physics. His next stop was at Kings College in London, where he earned his Masters of Science in Mathematics. In 1995 he headed to Swansea, where he attended the University of Wales and completed his PhD in Theoretical Physics. All of this setting the stage for his jump across the pond – to the University of Washington as a visiting student, then to Columbia University for his postdoctoral research, followed by stops at MIT and Stanford.

David Tong lectures during the Royal Institution’s Friday Evening Discourse Lecture Series

“I grew up at MIT,” Tong says, reflecting on his journey to the hallowed halls of Cambridge. “Until I got there, I wasn’t truly invested as I should have been. At MIT, I learned what it takes to be a serious physicist, and I think that’s when I truly applied myself.”

Today, Tong is fully invested in quantum field theory. His lectures include classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, condensed matter, and statistical physics. The charismatic professor has been a part of the Royal Institution’s Friday Evening Discourse lecture series (be sure to check him out on YouTube), which date back to Faraday’s time at Cambridge. And he continues to ponder the biggest problems in our universe, including the ever-elusive quest for a theory of everything.

“If you are a theoretical physicist, it’s something you endeavor to – but it’s also something that you’re likely to fail at. You know this going in. It’s the price of admission.”

Tong’s generation of theoretical physicists is only the most recent to embark on it. The idea seemed logical enough when Einstein first set out on it in the 1920s. If general relativity explains the universe from afar – why gravity pulls the earth around the sun – and quantum mechanics explains the world up close – how atoms, protons, and neutrons react to electromagnetism and the strong and weak forces – surely there must be a way to put the two theories together. After all, whether cosmic in size or minuscule, the particles and forces that govern our universe were all born at the same primordial moment. Yet Einstein failed. And in the interim, armies of physicists, equipped with similarly well-intentioned yet ultimately faulty or unprovable ideas, have followed him to the same well-trod dead end. Tong knows this going in, but that doesn’t make him any less determined.

“We theoretical physicists are gluttons for punishment,” he says, chuckling. “The only way you make a breakthrough is to keep hammering way. It’s what we do.”

Let’s jump in a DeLorean and time travel back to your childhood.

To be honest, it’s not the most interesting time of my life. I grew up in Crawley, England, which is a commuter town about 30 miles south of London. It’s an ugly town [laughs]. It’s got Britain’s second largest airport next to it – Gatwick Airport – so there was zero unemployment at a time in the 1980s when unemployment was rife in the country. I don’t have many complaints. It was a fine place to be, but it’s not a place that I’m desperate to go back to – actually, that’s not quite true because my mom still lives there, and everybody wants to go back home and see their mom! Other than that, there’s not too much going for it.

What was the school system like in Crawley, England?

Education is clearly important if you’re going to be a theoretical physicist. I went to a fairly good school, but there is a gap in this country between private education and what you guys in the States call public education. In the UK we have this Orwellian speak. Public schools are the fancy ones you pay 30,000 pounds a year to attend, and then you have the state schools, which is the kind that I went to. I had an okay education. In the context of my larger family, there wasn’t a history of education or going to university. No one in my family had ever gone to university before, so I was something of a trailblazer in that respect. I had very supportive parents, my mom in particular. She was a schoolteacher, so she really thought that education was crucial. I went off to a place called Nottingham. My American friends think this is fictional, because that’s where Robin Hood is from, but it really exists.

The Large Hadron Collider

When did you become interested in science?

Around the age of seventeen. I was always good at math, but at some point in my life I learned that there was this bigger thing out there called physics. I think the moment was probably when I got Stephen Hawking’s A Brief History of Time for my birthday. Until then, it never occurred to me that there was something called quantum mechanics, or that there were black holes. You don’t do any of the stuff in school, and it just blew my mind. It was utterly astonishing. And then on top of that, I learned from Hawking’s book that there existed this job – being a theoretical physicist. That had never occurred to me. The fact that you could just think about these things for a living was equally as mind blowing. I decided very early on that this is what I wanted to do, while also realizing that it was probably not where I was going to end up. Somehow, everybody gets diverted, so I thought that it was unlikely that I would become a theoretical physicist.

David Tong – Photo Courtesy Royal Institution

What did your family think of your career path?

My family did encourage me along the way, but always with a sense of bafflement. I don’t think they ever really understood what I was doing, but they always made it clear that they were extremely proud of me. Going to university, being the first person in the family to do that, there was a clear sense of support in that way. My wider family were genuinely baffled. At some point when I went on and did a PhD, my grandfather took me to one side and sort of let me know that one degree was okay, and maybe the Masters was pushing it, but why do a third degree in physics? He told me, “You know, your cousin…he’s a few years younger than you, but he’s got a good job. He’s laying carpet, he’s got his own van. It’s about time that you did something like this. When are you going to get your own van?” [Laughs.] His advice came from a sense of love. Actually, my cousin is doing tremendously well with his carpet business and is earning much more than I ever will. So my grandfather was probably right with his advice.


Was there a particular teacher or class that helped fuel your interest in science and mathematics?

I think everybody has wonderful teachers at one time or another during their schooling. Some of them I don’t think I was very nice to, to be honest. Maybe I’m exaggerating a little bit. Mrs. Salter was one of these teachers that was very strict, very stern. You really wouldn’t get a smile out of her, but she was an amazing math teacher.


Did you ever struggle in school?

I almost bombed physics. I had a year where we really didn’t have a physics teacher, and I was bombing physics because I didn’t understand it. She was a biology teacher, and she was saying stuff that didn’t make sense, so it wasn’t really working for me. I wasn’t alone in that respect. I think everybody in the class was bombing, so they decided to put in a proper physics teacher. He was an old Air Force guy with no hair and a very distinctive head, as if it had been molded by his Air Force helmet [laughs]. Mr. Hobbs. Again, very stern.  When he started explaining stuff, it just clicked. Suddenly it all started making sense.


You went to high school at Hazelwick. Please tell me about that.

Hazelwick is a Comprehensive School. This means it is a state school, which is the most common kind of school here in the UK. It was run by a headteacher that sort of had delusions of grandeur. He thought it was more prestigious than it actually was, and yet I think that vision did turn it into something more prestigious. By that I mean it was a school which focused very much on academic excellence, even though it was the kind of school where that typically wasn’t the priority.


You’ve described yourself as a geek in high school. What were you into during this period in your life?

When I was a young teenager I was super nerdy. Super geeky. I was into computer games. I had friends, but I wore a big, thick-rimmed glasses, kind of like the ones I wear now, although they are a little cooler now than they were considered back then. At some point I started meeting friends who were way cooler than I was, and I slowly realized that there is a bit more to life than just sums.

I had a set of friends that were into really bad ‘80s metal bands. By the time I was 17 we were going up to London and going to all of these rock concerts. There were times when we were sleeping out because we had missed the last train home. We saw some great bands like Aerosmith, but we also saws some really terrible bands as well. Poison – why was I into the band Poison and their song Every Rose Has Its Thorn?

Aerosmith – One of the many bands David Tong saw in concert during the 1980s

Scientists are often stereotyped as humorless, arrogant, and introverted. That’s not you at all.

Oh yes, I would describe myself as humorless, arrogant, and introverted [laughs]! Have you seen The Big Bang Theory? I have to say that there is a little bit of Sheldon Cooper in all of us theoretical physicists. Maybe not quite that level of arrogance…it’s just under the surface, I think most of us are just hiding it well.


You received your Bachelor of Science in Mathematical Physics from the University of Nottingham. What did you do for fun?

I’m not sure I even remember extracurriculars. There was lots of doing what young people do, like clubbing, although looking back on it I’m not even sure I liked nightclubs. Looking back at it, there was lots of time spent in nightclubs and going out drinking. Maybe just a bit too much partying, to be honest. But I got a good education there.


Was Nottingham your first choice?

I applied to Oxford, but Oxford didn’t want me so I went to Nottingham. I got a good education there, that’s important to stress. England is a bit strange; if you are an undergraduate in England, it’s Oxford and Cambridge, and then everything else is considered a cut below. I guess the closest comparison in the United States is the Ivy League. And it’s extremely competitive here. I can see that now, as a professor at Cambridge. We get the best people from all around the world and put them together and challenge them. As a professor, I think that is fantastic. However, had I come here when I was 18, I think I would have struggled to no end. I wouldn’t have been able to compete with the students from the super fancy schools, or the brilliant minds excelling in the International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad competitions. I think I would’ve probably ended up doing something else. So, somehow not getting into Oxford was a bit of good luck. It allowed me a little bit more time to learn physics, and to learn about myself as well.


From there it was on to Kings College, in London. Was the city a distraction?

Yes. I spent a year in London during the mid-90s, earning my Masters in Mathematics. Take any guy who’s 21 and put them in the middle of London, and they might not be doing as much work as they’d hoped. I had two years like this. Some years later I had a year in New York, where I had the best time outside of academics, and maybe my physics career didn’t quite progress as it should. I needed to refocus.


You earned your PhD in Theoretical Physics at the University of Wales, Swansea.

Swansea wasn’t considered a top rate university, but they had just hired a new Theoretical Physics Department, which consisted of maybe eight people, all very young, all super ambitious, and all super smart. It was the best place to be. There was no hierarchy. You’re going out with the professors for beer in the evening, or doing picnics down on the beach together…there was a real sense of everyone starting something exciting. I had a brilliant advisor who was doing cutting edge stuff. We were learning about string theory, which was really quite exciting.


In 1997 you spent two years as a visiting student at the University of Washington.

Seattle is a hell of a town. I think it was the first time I had left the UK in four or five years. I remember the plane flying in over the mountains, and I had never seen mountains in my life before. I didn’t have anywhere to stay when I arrived, so I stayed in a youth hostel between Christmas and New Year’s Day. What I’ve come to learn is that there are very few clear days in Seattle, but one of my first days there was the rare exception. I stepped out of that youth hostel and it was utterly clear and you could see the mountains of the Olympic Peninsula just silhouetted in the horizon. My word, it just took my breath away. It’s utterly spectacular. It was a wonderful time. The physics department was prestigious, and also you had many extraordinarily talented people, including David Thouless, who had recently won the Nobel Prize. For the first time I was immersed in an environment where I was learning physics in a way that I hadn’t before.


The next step was your postdocs. What’s that like?

The way it works is that you do your PhD, and then six years of postdocs. These are usually two or three year positions. It’s wonderful, really, because they allow you to do anything you want. They give you a desk and a computer, and they just say, “Do your best work.” The flipside is that in two or three years you’re going to be unemployed and you are going to have to find another job.


Where did you conduct your postdoctoral research?

I think I applied for 120 positions the first time around, basically everywhere on the planet that did my kind of theoretical physics. I got one offer. That one offer was in Mumbai, India, so that is where I went. After marrying my wife, moving to India ranks as possibly the greatest decision of my life. It’s amazing there, just a wonderful place. In terms of science, this was 20 years ago, and back then India wasn’t a country that could inject a lot of money into science. Fortunately for me, theoretical physics is dirt cheap – you need maybe a pen and paper and a computer – so that wasn’t really a barrier. They also had some of the best theoretical physicists in the world, so it was the perfect place to learn. And I was able to immerse myself into the country’s amazing culture, music, and food, while making the best friends. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed as much in my life as I did in that one year in India. It really was a spectacular experience.

Sir Isaac Newton

Your research career includes stops at Columbia University, MIT, Stanford, and the University of Cambridge. That’s a pretty impressive portfolio.

Columbia University was fun. There was a time in the 1950s when the Physics Department at Columbia University was the center of the physics world, and every single name on the corridor had Nobel Prizes or was going to have Nobel Prizes. The fact that I was enjoying New York City – perhaps a little too much – meant that I probably didn’t get as much out of physics as I could have. I definitely enjoyed myself there. Then, two months later, I got this offer from MIT. That was really my dream job. I was seriously torn about whether I should stay in New York, which presumably meant dropping physics, or whether I should go to MIT. Well, MIT is usually ranked as the best physics department in the world, so I felt that the opportunity was too good to turn down.

In many ways, MIT was where I really learned to become a physicist. It was late in my life, I had my PhD, and I had done three years of postdocs. But moving there and seeing very smart people working incredibly hard and with unbridled passion – people that had won the Nobel Prize or who were on the cusp of winning it – that kind of turned my head. It made me realize that if you want to be good at physics, then you have to be very serious. I just looked around: If they are obviously smarter than me, and they are working much, much harder than me, then what chance do I have? I think that’s when I kind of grew up a little bit, to be honest. I realized that physics can be a fun hobby, but if you really want to make it into something more, then it requires a dedication. It was probably at MIT when I first really did that.


Let’s talk about the Royal Institution and the history there. Is the desk where you’ve lectured the same desk that Michael Faraday gave his famous Christmas lecture in 1856?

I make a comment on the YouTube video during my lecture, which says that if that is Faraday’s original desk, then he could have made life very easy for himself.


How so?

Because there’s a three-pin plug socket, and he could’ve just discovered electricity there [laughs]. I think the desk has been replaced at least once, but aside from the socket it’s an exact replica. It was probably replaced 150 or 200 years ago, and then modified to have electricity.


Some giants of science have lectured in that room, Michael Faraday and Humphry Davy among them. Please tell me about these two men.

Humphry Davy was the first Professor of Chemistry at the Royal Institution. He was a very prominent chemist who discovered at least four elements of the periodic table. He’s a pretty impressive guy. Faraday was his protégé. Surprisingly, Faraday was almost entirely uneducated. He left school at the age of 14 to become a bookbinder. He somehow pushed his way into the Royal institution to work as a lab tech for Humphry Davy, and from there pushed his way to become one of the greatest scientists of all time.

Michael Faraday

I’ve read where the lecture series was Faraday’s idea.

When Faraday was 34, he started this lecture series at the Royal Institution, called the Friday Evening Discourse. He gave most of the lectures for the first 40 years, and they used to be held every single week. Now they only do them once a month, but they have been running since the 1700s, so the tradition is still there.


And now we can add David Tong to the esteemed list of lecturers.

It was such an honor to receive the invitation and speak in this room. There are some traditions that aren’t clear from the YouTube video, one of which dates back to the early 1800s. The story goes that a guy named Charles Wheatstone was due to give a lecture, but he was a very nervous speaker, and, as it turns out, he was also a runner. Just before Wheatstone was supposed to turn up, he abandoned the lecture and Faraday had to stand in a give a lecture in his place. So to prevent this from happening, for the last 200+ years, they have a tradition of locking the speaker in a room for 10 minutes before the lecture.

Now, to say I was nervous to give this lecture was an understatement. To be locked in a room for 10 minutes before I was supposed to go on…my heart was beating through my chest! They finally came and let me out, and escorted me to the lecture hall entrance. There were two guys in uniform holding these big, fancy doors, and through the door I could almost hear somebody introducing me. Then they opened the door and in I went. The tradition is that you enter, but you don’t say, “Hello.” You don’t say, “Welcome.” You just start off with the lecture. So, it’s a very strange experience. I loved it. It was really a thrill to do that.

David Tong – Photo Courtesy Royal Institution

Today, you teach at Cambridge. That’s quite an honor.

I’m associated a with place called Trinity College, which is a college within Cambridge University. Let me say that history hangs heavy. I have two offices; my departmental office is very nice and modern, and I have blackboards everywhere. My other office is located in Trinity College. It’s in a building that was built in the 1600s, and it overlooks an astonishing court – if I crane my neck I can see where Newton lived, and beyond that, the spot where his apple tree was located. The people who have passed through Trinity include J.J. Thomson, who discovered the electron; Ernest Rutherford, who discovered the structure of the atom; and James Clark Maxwell, who discovered the theories of electricity and magnetism and who put Faraday’s work on proper mathematical footing. The list just goes on and on and on. At some point you just have to shrug and laugh it off, because these are not people whose footsteps you can fill. So, it’s a privilege, it’s an utter privilege.


Do you ever think about coming from such humble beginnings and being where you are today?

Almost on a daily basis. Certainly when I’m lecturing. Paul Dirac was a student here, and all he did was discover the equation for the electron – that, and win the Nobel Prize in Physics [laughs]. It is an astonishing story, really; Paul was staring into a fire when the equation for the electron suddenly came to him. It took him a long time to understand what it meant – about three years – and that’s when he realized that antimatter exists. He hadn’t just come up with the equation for the electron, but also an equation for another particle that had the same mass but had the opposite charge. Then, if the two particles with different charges came together, they would annihilate any burst of energy. Six months after he came to that realization, antimatter was discovered in experiments. To come up with something like that with just pure thought alone is mind-boggling.  I’m no Dirac, but when I get to stand up in our beautiful lecture halls and write his equation on the blackboards and explain to our students for the first time what it means…there is something very special in that.


As a theoretical physicist, what is your particular area of focus?

I work in something called quantum field theory. It’s a strange subject because it’s the basis of all of our laws of physics. Everything that we know at a fundamental level of the universe is written in terms of quantum field theory, and yet we really don’t understand it at all. My mathematician friends will tell me that I’m talking nonsense when I do quantum field theory, and that’s because they need to define things very rigorously. For them, they need to make sure that every step is very well-defined; in more than 70 years, nobody has managed to do that with quantum field theory.


Does your work require a certain amount of creativity?

As physicists, we are sort of flying by the seat of our pants. We are working with equations and mathematics that the mathematicians haven’t yet invented, so we are way ahead of them in that regard. If you take a wrong step with the math, you just get nonsense answers. You need intuition as a physicist to avoid taking the wrong step and still try to get the right answer. So yes, there is high level of creativity involved.


What drew you to the theoretical side of physics, as opposed to the experimental side?

That’s not a hard question to answer – if I pick up a screwdriver, I’m going to be using the wrong end every single time [laughs]. I’m hapless, absolutely hapless, when it comes to almost anything practical.


The discovery of the Higgs boson was such a big deal that it captured the imagination of millions worldwide.

This might sound a little bit strange, but I was a bit blasé about it. The science told us that it was there. That much was absolutely clear. We have this theory called the Standard Model that involves different forces and different particles interacting with each other, and yet there was this one missing ingredient, but it was such an integral part of the theory that it couldn’t not be there. I don’t think I’m alone in this. I think most physicists thought it was just absolutely obvious, and it would be nice when it was finally discovered, but that we weren’t really going to learn anything. And then the Higgs boson was discovered, and I was just blown away.

It’s just astonishing to think that scientists could be so sure of the Higgs boson’s existence with just with pen and paper. Then, theorize that if you build a machine that costs $10 billion – the greatest engineering feat ever – and you smash these particles together at unprecedented energies, you’re going to see a bump that has particular properties in some graph, proving its existence. And yet, that’s what happened. There’s something really astonishing about that achievement. I sort of felt something similar about the gravitational wave discovery several years ago. It’s obvious that if you take the Einstein equation, gravitational waves exist. It’s far from obvious that you can build a machine to actually detect them. So again, I was a bit blasé. You take for granted that they will be detected at some point in time. But then it happens, and you’re reminded that this is such an incredible moment. We’re talking about some of mankind’s greatest scientific and technological achievements.

The Large Hadron Collider – CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

Do you think the recent discovery of neutrino oscillations challenges the Standard Model?

It challenges it, but I think in a fairly minor way. It’s not too difficult to take the Standard Model and just add a mass for the neutrino. This was not a big surprise. It’s also a slightly different discovery in the sense that it took decades, with hints from solar neutrinos and more hints from nuclear reactor neutrinos. People painstakingly put this together, and then it was finally proven by the SNO experiment that Art McDonald and others were on. It wasn’t like the discovery of the Higgs boson, or the discovery of gravitational waves, where there was a pop culture moment and a press conference by the mainstream media to announce it. It was something that built up much more slowly in the consciousness of physicists. Having said that, it is true that adding the mass for neutrinos to the Standard Model opens new questions, as discoveries always do. It opens up deeper questions about where the mass comes from, so it’s certainly one of the more interesting questions in science today. I’m one of these people who get excited about everything in physics, so it was a big deal to me.


Are you surprised by how well the Standard Model has held up?

We all thought that the discovery of the Higgs boson would sort of open the door to the next level of discoveries to whatever lies beyond the standard model, whatever the next level of nature is. We have lots of ideas. We have really fancy, zany ideas about things like supersymmetry or extra dimensions in the universe, all of these great things that we were hoping the Large Hadron Collider would discover. None of this came true. The Large Hadron Collider has done extraordinarily well since the discovery of the Higgs boson. It has done millions of experiments, and every single one of them agrees perfectly with the Standard Model, which should be cause for celebration because it’s taken us 70 years to develop the Standard Model. And now that we’ve got it, we can calculate anything we like.

Artistic representation of dark matter. Image credits: tchaikovsky2, Deviant Art

Why would breaking the Standard Model be a win for science?

We do these extremely complicated experiments and everything agrees perfectly. That in itself sounds like a win, but science is all about pushing the envelope. Everybody wants to prove Einstein wrong, because they want to be the next Einstein. That’s being a little bit facetious, but the point is, it’s when your theory breaks down that you’ve managed to make the next big step and understand things deeper. The Standard Model hasn’t broken down. The entire scientific community doesn’t understand why it works as well as it does. There are so many questions. Why isn’t it cracking yet? Why aren’t we seeing gaps in the Standard Model?


Do you have a theory about that?

Everybody in the scientific community has their own approach. I have one, which is not the norm, and certainly not what most people are doing. As I mentioned before, there are lots of things we don’t understand about quantum field theory. Some are things that you can just brush under the rug and not worry about. With respect to the Standard Model, I think it might be time to lift up the rug. I think we need to start asking slightly harder questions about what quantum field theory means. What is it doing? Are there patterns there that we’ve missed? I think it’s time to take start exploring very well-explored theories in completely different ways.


What is the one thing today that excites you the most about physics?

Five percent of the energy in our universe is made up of stuff in the periodic table…things that are made of atoms, such as you and me, the stars in the universe, the dust in the universe, planets…stuff that we understand, basically. The other 95% is completely unknown. Still, we know it’s there, and we know that it falls into two different categories: Dark matter and dark energy. While they have similar names, they really have very little to do with each other. I’m not working on either of these things today because I don’t have any good ideas. In fact, no one really has any good ideas. But that’s the exciting thing about dark matter and dark energy.


That’s a big percentage of our universe.

About 25% of the universe is made up of dark matter. Dark matter is super exciting and interesting, but I’m not sure it’s that baffling, conceptually. Dark matter is some invisible particle that we haven’t made here on earth. We know it’s there, floating around in space. In fact, the galaxies that we see likely exist within dark matter halos. It would be brilliant to understand this better, but at the end of the day it’s almost certainly some sort of invisible particle.

The other 70% of the universe is much more baffling. The other 70% is made up of dark energy, which is an antigravitational force causing everything in the universe to repel everything else. The effect is that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate over time, rather than slowing down. That’s because of this antigravitational force that we call dark energy, which is making everything fly apart at an increasingly fast rate. What the hell is that? That is just weird.

Photo Courtesy David Tong

Final Question: You’ve achieved great success in your life. If you could offer one piece of advice, what would that be?

I don’t think theoretical physicists should be giving advice on life [laughs]. That’s not where we are the experts. But, I can give advice on pursuing science. Do it if you love it, because it’s a fairly miserable experience. You spend most of your time just being utterly stuck and utterly confused, and not having anywhere to turn to find the answers. There has to be a passion for the big picture, and yet you must get a level of joy from finding the very tiny, infinitesimal answers, and also from making infinitesimal progress. The little things have to be bigger than the misery.

Written By: Michael D. McClellan |

At first blush, Peter Higgs and Alex Amancio have nothing in common. Higgs, the theoretical physicist who, during the 1960s, proposed the existence of the so-called “God Particle,” and later won the 2013 Nobel Prize after experiments at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva, Switzerland, proved it true, owns neither a TV nor a mobile phone, and was 80 years old before he acquired a computer. Amancio, now the Chief Creative Officer and Founder at Reflector Entertainment, is one of the hottest guys in the entertainment universe, having served as creative director of the two most successful Assassin’s Creed video games, introduced the technology that brought Madonna to life in her groundbreaking, augmented reality performance at the 2019 Billboard Music Awards, and today is at the forefront of a revolution that is bending, stretching, twisting and upending the worlds of entertainment, pop culture, and tech. Common denominators? Is that even possible? Higgs has spent his life in pursuit of answers to some of physics’ most burning questions: Why did some particles acquire a mass just seconds after the Big Bang, allowing them to clump and coalesce into matter, forming things like stars, planets, and people? Why has our universe stuck around for billions of years, when it should have been a fleeting fireball, gone in an instant? Amancio’s universe, on the other hand, exists as an arras of pixels, with whole worlds created by teams of coders and right-brained creatives, all for the enjoyment of a rapidly growing fan base. It would seem that there’s little, if anything, connecting them.

Alex Amancio

And yet the two men are cut from the same cloth, kindred spirits if you will, one identifying the missing particle in the Standard Model, the other reshaping entertainment’s future with something called “Storyworlds” – an ever-expanding universe that tells stories across multiple platforms or media. Both deal in the currency of creation: Higgs for proving the existence of the omnipresent Higgs field, through which all mass is created; Amancio for interweaving narratives and characters across films, video games, novels, podcasts, comics, and beyond. Both, it turns out, are also modest to a fault. In fact, Britain’s most cherished scientist wasn’t home to take the call on the day of the Nobel announcement, and when a former neighbor stopped to congratulate him in the street, his first response was a puzzled, “What prize?” Embarrassed to be singled out from so many other deserving candidates, Higgs set off to Stockholm to receive his award, blinking in polite bewilderment as his admirers demanded a long-overdue knighthood. The Portuguese-born, Montréal-raised Amancio has been twice nominated by the prestigious Writer’s Guild of America, both times for his storytelling, and yet he’s far more comfortable talking about Unknown 9, Reflector’s maiden Storyworld, than anything to do with Alexandre Amancio.

Peter Higgs

“We’ve launched a novel trilogy, a comic book series, and a podcast for Unknown 9,” Amancio says. “We’re also developing a triple A video game, a television series, and loads of digital content. It’s an exciting time at Reflector.”

At some point in the not too distant future, the humble paths of Peter Higgs and Alex Amancio are destined to converge, and in a very real way. Quantum computing remains in its formative stages, but its potential to process data exponentially faster than traditional computers could bring about seismic shifts in everything from pharmaceutical research (Biogen has explored quantum-enabled molecule modeling) to finance (Citi and Goldman Sachs both invest in quantum). Naturally, gamers want to know if that outsize computing muscle will transform games, too.

“Quantum computing could certainly become the next frontier,” Amancio says. “There’s no question it has the potential to reshape the entire gaming experience, which makes it an exciting time to be in this business.”

Alex Amancio

Amancio and his team at Reflector will be well-positioned to leverage these new advances. The Storyworlds they create are each a unique intellectual property, each with unique entry points into the IP’s universe. This means that your favorite character might be the protagonist in the film, while playing a complimentary role in the video game – the stories are independent, but if you experience them all, they tell a broader narrative that expands the overall mythology. It’s up to you to decide the path that you take.

“The concept of transmedia has been around for quite a while,” he says, “but I don’t think anyone has done it quite the way that we do it.”

Take Unknown 9, for example.

Unknown 9
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Your entry point might be Unknown 9: Chapters, an immersive set of website puzzles in which players go through The Leap Year Society’s recruitment protocol to become Quaestors. Or you might decide to start with Unknown 9: Genesis, the first book in a novel trilogy by bestselling author Layton Green. Or you could opt for the comic book series, Unknown 9: Torment, following Jaden Crowe as he is inducted into a mysterious society and discovers his unbelievable destiny. Other entry points include podcasts, the upcoming video game, a feature film…all of it designed to be consumed in any order, a la carte with you deciding how far you want to go.

“That’s the beauty of IP,” Amancio says. “Every entry point brings with it a different perspective, enriching the overall story. If you consume only one platform – let’s say you just watch the film or you play the console game – you feel satisfied, because each is a closed loop. You have a beginning, a middle, and an ending. You experience it, and you complete the whole narrative. But for those who want more, how do you create narratives that enrich the fan experience? The idea of Storyworlds is to craft narratives where each one gives you a peek into a completely different perspective.”

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If anyone is going to deliver on challenging the status quo, it’s Alexandre Amancio.

Just as Peter Higgs challenged the Standard Model with the discovery of the Higgs boson, Amancio is challenging traditional channels for consuming content. Instead of big companies pushing the content that people consume, such as on TV or in the theatre, for example, Storyworlds interweave a myriad of different producers around a single IP. The result is a democratized platform that is anything but cookie cutter.

“The world has shifted, right?” Amancio asks rhetorically. “Look at the movie industry, even before COVID hit. They were already looking back and asking, ‘Where are the fans? Where are the lines at theaters?’ People aren’t consuming film anymore, at least not in the traditional sense.”

Amancio’s Storyworld epiphany has its genesis in his work at Ubisoft, where he helmed two of the most successful titles in the Assassin’s Creed universe: Assassin’s Creed: Revelations, and Assassin’s Creed Unity. Those experiences convinced him that developing an IP and delivering its content across multiple platforms was the way to go.

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Consider Unity.

You play as Arno, a native Frenchman who was born in Versailles to an Assassin father. You’re dropped into Paris, circa 1798, during the French Revolution. The streets are filthy with mud and blood, the air thick with gunpowder smoke. The citizens are starving. The guillotines are doing a brisk business. You play to expose the true powers behind the Revolution. You explore the city, and scale towers to unlock missions. There’s plenty of jumping and stabbing to be had.

When you have a game this rich, it begs for other story streams. Amancio took this with him to Reflector, hell-bent on creating ubiquitous IPs that run the gamut, from social media to gaming consoles to streaming services and back again. Books. Graphic novels. Podcasts. RPG’s. Anime.

Unknown 9 is just the beginning.

Amancio and his Reflector team have other Storyworlds in the works.

Like Peter Higgs, Godfather of the God Particle, it’s all about the creation.

Let’s walk it back to the beginning. Please tell me a little about your childhood – where did you get your insatiable curiosity?

I was actually born in Portugal, which is a southern European country on the Iberian Peninsula, bordering Spain. I didn’t live there long, because my parents moved to Montréal, Canada, when I was a little over three years old. I grew up in a French-speaking city, but my first language is Portuguese. I had to learn French for the first time when I was introduced to school – I actually still remember being 5 years old and not understanding a word that the people were saying, so I had to pick it up as I went. My dad was always of the mindset that we would speak Portuguese at home. That way I would be able to keep that language. He knew that I would be learning French at school, so the other decision that he made was that we would watch TV and movies in English. I think that having been plunged into a lot of different languages and a lot of different cultures at a very early age is probably what formatted my brain the way that it is now. I feel like it helped to develop my creative side. I like solving problems, I like coming up with stuff, and I like to learn. So a very healthy curiosity is part of my DNA. I can’t even imagine not learning. So yes, I really think that being plunged into the unknown from a very young age is what probably what drove me to become this way.

Alex Amancio

You are an awarding-winning writer and director of the iconic Assassin’s Creed video game series. Please tell me about your first major effort, Assassin’s Creed: Revelations.

Both of these projects were extremely important in my creative path. Assassin’s Creed: Revelations was my first project as Creative Director, and it was released in November, 2011. This title was the first where I was really helming the creative vision on the project. It was quite a tough one because I had two major challenges: First, we had to create a brand-new Assassin’s Creed team. That was very challenging in itself. Then, we had to deliver this game in a record amount of time. I think we delivered it in 10 months. What I learned from that experience are three things: You need to have a clear vision from the start; you need to believe in that vision enough to be able to hold onto it no matter what the obstacles in your path; and you need to be smart enough to be flexible in the sense that, there may be times where adapting the vision might get you closer to the final vision than if you had held onto every detail. So, by having that sort of rigidity for certain things, and as well as having the flexibility to deal with problems as they arise, we were able to move forward with belief that what we had from seed was good. All of that stuff I absorbed in that project on the fly. It was really a trial by fire.

From a storytelling standpoint, Revelations was about an aging hero who, for the first time in his life, had to take a step back and look at his life. What was he actually fighting for? What does he want his life to be about? Should he continue on this course, or should he just live for himself? It was also an amazing opportunity to connect two of the most iconic heroes of the franchise –Altaïr Ibn-La’Ahad, who is the protagonist in the first game, and Ezio, who ended up becoming the star of the franchise. It was exciting to have them both in the same game, and to be able to create a parallel or a mirror with both of their lives, with two ways that a hero’s life could potentially go. So, Revelations was a very cool project for all of those reasons. I’m very proud of how we were able to overcome all of the challenges, and also proud of the depth of the narrative that we were able to craft.

Assassin’s Creed: Revelations
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Let’s fast-forward to the fall of 2014, and the release of Assassin’s Creed Unity.

Assassins Creed Unity represented another significant challenge, but we had one big advantage that we didn’t have with Revelations, and that was a lot of time. We also had the biggest team that we had ever assembled for a project. It was about 1,000 people in total. We had 10 studios collaborating together on one single project across several different countries and three continents, from Asia to Europe to America, so it was a very ambitious game.


Unity represented a quantum leap in gaming.

Unity was also based on the AnvilNext 2.0 game engine. Because Unity was the first next-generation title that we were going to deliver using this engine, it was all about how much could we push this new technology – and not just the visuals. We wanted to see what kind of storytelling mechanisms we could push, using the raw power that was suddenly available to us. So we created the biggest city that we had ever created for an Assassin’s Creed game. It was actually to scale; in the previous Assassin’s Creed titles, the houses were actually smaller than in reality. So, if you were able to go into a house, you would immediately realize that things like doorways would be much smaller. For Unity, almost all of the houses could be entered, so they had to be full-scale. We essentially recreated Paris, not as it is today, but as it was in the Middle Ages, and we did it to scale.

The characters were the next logical step in our development process. The thought being, if we create a city that looks and feels more realistic than ever, then that city is going to have a jarring effect if it feels empty. Up until that point, we couldn’t typically have any more than 10-20 characters in a game. We developed a tech that allowed us to have more than 10,000 people, which, for the first time, really allowed us to populate a city as it should be populated. The beauty of these characters is that, if you interact with them, they react like real characters. That advancement really contributed to making the city feel alive and real.


You’ve been twice nominated by the prestigious Writer’s Guild of America.

When I look at the other people that were nominated in that category, these are people that I admire greatly, and whose work I also admire. Just being nominated, and being in the same category as them, is a tremendous honor for me. I’m quite humbled by it, actually.

Genesis – One of many entry points into the Unknown 9 universe
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You’re a born storyteller.

Storytelling is something that I’ve been passionate about my entire life. I talk about technology and all of that stuff, but in reality, these are all just levers. They are devices that allow us to tell stories. Finding new and innovative ways of telling stories is what I’m in this for, and gaming is the perfect marriage of technology and storytelling. It’s what stimulates me. It’s what motivates me.

It’s an exciting time, because I think that video games open the door to a completely new kind of storytelling. When the film industry was in its nascent stages, it used a lot of the language and mechanics of theater. Then, we started understanding how film could be editing, allowing us to jump cut, flashback, and change locations very quickly. That sort of vernacular was born of experience with the medium. It took years and decades to master. In the video game world, we’re still in that nascent stage. We’re still discovering, every day, every year, new ways to push the boundaries of storytelling within those interactive universes that we create.


From what I’ve read, you’re into theoretical physics.

Yes [laughs]. My initial path was science. Physics has always been my passion, and I think theoretical physics is as close to creation as science can get. If you look at those Prince Theories in terms of how the very small things in our universe work, it seems to be subjective in the sense that the universe seems to react to the observer. When you start getting into that stuff, you really start getting very close to how video games function. Maybe that’s part of the subconscious reason that I gravitated towards video games.

Torment – One of many entry points into the Unknown 9 universe
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You’re now the CCO Reflector Entertainment. Storyworlds are at the heart of your new company.

Reflector was born of certain ideas that I started having when I was at Ubisoft. One thing I realized while working on the Assassin’s Creed universe was that the mythology we were building, and the world that we were creating, transcended the video game medium. So, while I was helming both Revelations and Unity,a lot of my time and attention was focused on the novels and the comic books that were being produced. This work was being done with an internal team that we called the IP Team. As we fleshed these out, it was really important to me that the stories weren’t just redundant stories, or simply an adaptation of the video game story. We wanted stories that transcended the video game – maybe from a different angle, or a different character’s perspective, or maybe even a portion of the story that wasn’t necessarily told within the game. So, instead of having the typical ancillary novels for Assassin’s Creed: Revelations, we actually had two novels that, instead of being about the story of the game, were actually prequels. They were the stories of the two main protagonists, and how they got to where they are in the game. In doing so, the novels gave audiences a glimpse into the psyche of these characters. They also fleshed out their backstories, and dived into other important characters that gravitated around them. It was the same thing when it came to the comic books. They weren’t about the game, they were about different things. They were connected to the game through some artifacts, or some side characters. I really felt that this was, in itself, a new form of storytelling.

Storyworld Development
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The storytelling landscape has changed. Would you consider this a paradigm shift?

In a very real sense, yes. I looked at what people were doing 30 years ago. They used to say, “‘I’m a film fan,’ or, ‘I’m a novel fan,’ or, ‘I’m a comic book fan.’ But today, people are far more likely to compare themselves to an IP. Today, they’re a Harry Potter fan. Or a Star Wars fan. Or a Lord of the Rings fan. Which means that they consume that world through multiple platforms – through films, through books, through comics, and through video games.


Does Reflector fill a niche, or is it leading the way in this bigger transformation?

When I started Reflector, I felt that, even though consumers have the evolved towards this way of consuming content, companies had not. Companies still viewed themselves through the lens of what they sold. I felt that this was, in a lot of ways, very similar to the mistake made by Kodak, where Kodak went from being the first, most valuable company in the world in terms of film and pictures, to being bankrupt within a very short amount of time. The reason this happened was because of digital photography. Digital photography essentially made film obsolete. The irony is that digital photography was actually developed by the R&D department at Kodak. They patented the chip that is actually able to transfer images into digital pictures, but then they sold it off. Why? Because it wasn’t part of their main revenue stream, which was film-based cameras. This was the 1970s, when 85% of the cameras purchased were Kodak cameras, and 90% of the film purchased was Kodak film. If Kodak had chosen to identify themselves not as a film company, but as an image company, or a memory company, they would likely still be the 800-pound gorilla in an industry that today is dominated by others. If they had evolved toward digital photography, they might also be making all the stuff that we take for granted today, things like Photoshop, smartphone cameras, and the like.


It seems like a common mistake that doom a lot of companies.

The same thing happened to Blockbuster. Blockbuster should’ve been about getting entertainment to people wherever they were, but they forgot about that. Instead, they were all about brick-and-mortar stores that rented out cassettes and DVDs. The same thing happened to them. Had they aligned themselves properly, they could have become Netflix.


Do you see the same potential for this cycle repeating itself in the entertainment space?

Very much so. Who knows if the traditional film industry, which has focused on movies being released to theatres first, is going to survive COVID, much less the transformation it has been going through in the past decade. The one thing I know for sure is that people are always going to consume audio and visual experiences. So, if companies sort of view themselves as producers of media, if they see themselves as creators of worlds and characters, then maybe that would open new doors.

Reflector values small teams of passionate individuals
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Reflector is platform agnostic, with something you call “Storyworlds” at the center. Not the other way around, where channels drive the creativity.

That is essentially the concept we developed while working on Assassin’s Creed, and the motivating factor that led me to create Reflector Entertainment. Reflector is precisely as you describe: It’s a company that creates worlds that we call Storyworlds, which we then deploy them across media. One product is no more important than the other. Of course we have our revenue streams, and we have certain products and certain media that we don’t think will make money, but we still believe that these  are good vectors for telling stories, and that they enrich the overall IP. These products bring value to the universe that we are creating, whether or not they make money.


What’s going on at Reflector right now?

We’re busy creating our very first Storyworld, which is called Unknown 9. Unknown 9 is a very ambitious universe that we’ve crafted, which is something that I’ve built around an old East Indian mythology. Right now we are busy creating a novel trilogy, a comic book series, a podcast series, and a video game. We’re also developing a film, as well as loads of digital content. And we’re developing an entire digital platform that will host it all.


Please tell me about the teams that you have at Reflector. Are teams critical to the success of these Storyworlds?

That’s an excellent question, because what we do is ultimately all about the people. IP is all about ideas, right? Reflector is built on what comes out of people’s minds. The critical thing is finding the best talent all over the world. I think that one thing that was really important for Reflector from the beginning is that, yeah, we’re based in Montréal, and we have an amazing talent pool of people that are expert video game developers, but we are not limited to that, right? We will find the best possible collaborators, wherever they are. For this reason, we do work with a lot of people that are remote. For example, some of our authors are in Europe, and some of them are in the United States, so the idea of finding the right collaborators is the most critical element.

Another important part of team development is creating a healthy mix of veterans and up-and-coming talent. You’re reassured by bringing in established talent with proven track records, people that you can judge by their work and the projects that they’ve already been through. The newcomers bring fresh ideas and perspectives. It allows us to counterbalance our experienced talent that with the young, up-and-comers that still have a lot of stars in their eyes and think that they can do the impossible. I think it not only rejuvenates the veterans, it also benefits the newcomers, because they benefit from working with veterans who have years of knowledge and expertise. It’s a very symbiotic relationship. This also helps ensure an amazing level of diversity.

Teamwork is essential to success at Reflector
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How much creative freedom are they given?

Once you get the right people, you can give them a sandbox and let them create. You have to make sure that everything still fits together, and that everything still lines up, but you have to give people the creative freedom that will allow them to shine. When people feel that they’re trusted and have the freedom to express themselves, I think that they will do their best work and transcend even what they thought was possible. For those reasons, trust, creativity, and respect are the pillars that make up Reflector.


Do you see yourself as the conductor of an orchestra?

I think that that is a great analogy. An orchestra has its sections – you have your star violinist in the first chair, and then there are other very talented violinists occupying the other chairs in that section – and these sections have to be perfectly in concert with the other sections in order for the symphony to sound its best. It’s the conductor’s job to unify performers, set the tempo, and control the interpretation and pacing of the music. That’s really what my job is at Reflector. It’s a great analogy.


Creativity output isn’t the same as mass-producing widgets. Do you have to keep that in mind, even with deadlines looming?

Yes, absolutely. Placing undo stress on someone often makes them less creative, so you have to balance the need to finish something on time with the need to get the most out of your team creatively. You have to keep in mind that creativity isn’t something you produce by flipping a switch. Constant, undo pressure can lead to burnout and a loss of creativity. I want my teams to enjoy their work, whether they are developing a book, a video game, or a comic. Passionate, engaged, and motivated teams can achieve far more than the work given to them.


The Assassin’s Creed titles that you helmed at Ubisoft are known for their quality. Now that you’re at Reflector, how do you maintain that same focus on excellence?

It’s important to keep in mind that excellence is something that is very fleeting. It’s something that is almost intangible – you can chase after it, but you never catch it. If you are lucky, and if you chase it with enough passion, energy, and temerity, then I think it’s something that you can sort of touch the edge of. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you don’t, but what’s most important is the chase. When I look around this industry, I think a lot of products have become just that – products. In many cases they are good enough, but they don’t exceed expectations. At Reflector, we want to produce transcendent work. I think can only be achieved when you are truly in the pursuit of excellence.


Final Question: If you had one piece of advice for other aspiring creatives, what would that be?

If you are able to keep that sacred fire kindled, and if you have in your mind the that your work is going to be a lifelong pursuit, then I think it’s possible to have long and successful career doing what you love.

Alex Amancio