Q&A with the extraordinary

By:  Michael D. McClellan | Spending time with Grammy-winning rapper Big Daddy Kane is to spend time at the feet of hip-hop royalty.  He’s recorded with Tupac, posed nude with Madonna and Naomi Campbell, and mentored a gifted young rapper named Jay-Z.  His breakout hit, Ain’t No Half Steppin, ranks No. 24 on Rolling Stone’s list of the 50 greatest hip-hop songs of all time.  Cited by many as one of the greatest lyricists ever, respect for Kane is everywhere:  Eminem raps on Yellow Brick Road that “we was on the same shit, that Big Daddy Kane shit, where compound syllables sound combined,” while Ice-T flatly declares that he would pit Big Daddy Kane against any rapper in a battle.  Legend has it that the ‘80s greatest rapper, Rakim, turned down a challenge to go mic-to-mic with Kane.  So when the opportunity to interview Kane presents itself, you jump at the chance – and you do your homework.  There are the obvious nuggets – his tight friendship with fellow rapper Biz Markie, the velour suits punctuated by his iconic high-top fade and those four-finger rings, and that racy photo shoot for Madonna’s controversial Sex book – but to climb into the ring without fully immersing yourself in all things Kane is to do so at your own peril.  BDK doesn’t do fakers.

“I like working with people who are committed to their craft,” Kane says, the words delivered with the same richness that fuels his records.  “Everything else is a waste of time.”

Born in Brooklyn, Kane’s fierce presence behind the microphone was honed during his early years as a battle rapper.  His reputation as an MC later opened doors, while his nonpareil lyrical ingenuity set the bar for others who followed, including Pulitzer Prize-winning rapper Kendrick Lamar (whose earliest exposure to hip-hop was listening to Big Daddy Kane as a newborn on his way home from the hospital).  Kane’s tight friendship with Biz later led to a stint in the Queens-based Juice Crew, a collective headed by renowned producer Marley Marl.  It turned out to be his big break.

“Before I had a record deal I was going from project to project, block party to block party, battling other rappers,” Kane says, “and I’d perform at parties in Brooklyn as well, so I was already quite experienced by the point I got involved with Juice Crew.  Marley Marl, Roxanne Shante, MC Shan, TJ Swan, Kool G Rap, Biz…Juice Crew was groundbreaking, ahead of its time.”

Kane would soon break off on his own, signing with Len Fichtelberg’s Cold Chillin’ Records label in 1987.  The 12” underground hit single Raw was released a few months later, followed by his debut album, Long Live the Kane, in 1988.  The video for Ain’t No Half Steppin introduced the world to the Kane high-top fade and helped propel Yo! MTV Raps into the mainstream.

A year later, Kane released his most critically-acclaimed album, It’s a Daddy Thing, which included 1970s sample throwbacks like Smooth Operator and the Teddy Riley-produced track I Get the Job Done.  A red-hot Kane was also sought out by Prince, who asked him to guest rap a verse on the Batdance remix for the ’89 blockbuster movie Batman.

“Prince loved it, Warner Bros. shelved it,” Kane says.  “They thought it was too different, and not commercial enough at the time.”

In 1991, Kane won the Grammy Award for Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for his performance on the Quincy Jones collaborative track Back on the Block.  He also posed for Playgirl and appeared in Madonna’s Sex book during the ‘90s (we’ll get to that in a bit), and hired an unknown rapper named Jay-Z to tour with him.  Those crowd-pleasing freestyle raps during costume changes sold Kane on Hova’s vast potential.

“By that point, we were trying to shop Jay-Z to get him a record deal,” says Kane.  “In the middle of my show I would leave stage and have Jay-Z and Positive K come out.  They would rap on stage while I was changing clothes.  He wasn’t a hype man; he was part of the show.  It was clear back then that he was going to be a star.”

Tight: Big Daddy Kane and Jay-Z worked together in the early days, and remain friends to this day.

In ‘95, Kane recorded with MC Hammer and Tupac Shakur on the rap song Too Late Playa.  In 1998, he released his final solo album Veteran’z Day, before turning his attention to live performances and collaborative efforts with artists like A Tribe Called Quest, Wu-Tang Clan, and Busta Rhymes.  He’s also appeared in Dave Chappelle’s Block Party and acted in several films, including Posse, The Meteor Man, Just Another Day, and Exposed.

Kane’s legacy – and his place in the pantheon of hip-hop royalty – is secure.  The high-top fade and eyebrow cuts have long-since been retired but he continues to tour, both domestically and overseas, and the next generation of rappers continue to sing his praises.  He does the occasional feature for artists like Joell Ortiz and The Game, and he’s set to be an executive producer on a Netflix biopic of the Juice Crew (release date TBD).

All part of the mosaic.

A Big Daddy thing.

I’m geeked right now.  I’m sitting here with a legend, an icon, Brooklyn’s own Big Daddy Kane.  How are you?

I’m great, man.  Wonderful.


We’ve got a lot of ground to cover – Tupac, Madonna, Jay-Z, those limited edition BDK British Walkers.

Let’s cover it all.  I’m in a mood to go.


You got your start in your Brooklyn neighborhood.  Tell me about that.

I’m what you call a lyricist, but I started off as a battle rapper.  At an early age I wanted to get down with a cousin of mine – he was around 17, and I might have been 12 or 13 at the time.  He was telling me that I was too young, and he was rhyming with these other two guys.  I felt if I became nice enough to beat his friends, then he would have to put me down for a battle.  That’s how I started writing battle rhymes.


Who were some of the guys you battled in the early ‘80s?

Hardly any of the ones that I battled were known at that time.  There were a few artists that had records out – Mike Ski of Dismasters Crew and Disco Ritchie from Divine Sounds are a couple that come to mind – but the majority of them were just regular cats on the street.  Once I started making music and the world had a chance to hear me, nobody wanted to battle then.


One of those who did battle you was Biz Markie.  Tell me about that.

We had a mutual friend in Long Island, and this friend used to always come around telling me about his man Biz Markie D – he was Biz Markie back then, he was Biz Markie D.  He wouldn’t stop talking about him.  He’d say, “Biz said this funny rhyme about such and such,” or “Oh, he rocked this party here,” or “He did the human beatbox.”  One day he said, “My man Biz Markie D is at Albee Square Mall right now,” and I said, “Look, let’s go find him and we battling.  Then, you go tell this Biz dude about me from now on, because I’m going to eat his ass up.”  So we went over to the mall and battled.

Biz Markie and Big Daddy Kane: A rap battle blossomed into a brotherhood.

Who won?

[Laughs]  We were doing serious rhymes at first, and he saw that he didn’t stand a chance so he tried to do a funny rhyme about a girl.  And then I did a funny rhyme about a girl.  He started laughing, and he was like, “Okay, that was dope.  Yo man, you got a lot of different styles, you’re bad, you’re dope.”  And then he started telling me about parties that he was doing in Long Island and in the Bronx.  He was telling me that he should get down with me and do some of these parties together and make some money.  He said that we were going to get a record deal, and that we were going to be famous.  And he kept his word.


The start of a beautiful friendship.

Biz was that dude that believed in me.  After he signed his deal with Cold Chillin’ Records he brought me in to write the majority of his first album.  Then he got me a deal with the same label, so he’s responsible for me having a music career.


And it started from a battle.

[Laughs]  A lot of people that I’ve beaten in battles have never spoken to me again.  This cat got me a record deal.  I have the utmost respect for him, and anything that I can do for him I would be more than happy to do.  I owe so much to that brother.


MTV ranks you at No. 7 in its Greatest MCs Of All Time list.  What’s the difference between a rapper and an MC?

A rapper is someone who makes words rhyme.  You can consider Dr. Seuss a rapper, because he’s just putting words together and making them rhyme.  The biggest difference between an MC and a rapper is that the MC is the crowd controller.  When I say crowd controller, I mean the MC gets on the mic and demands the crowd’s attention, and he is able to have the crowd do whatever he wants them to do – throw your hands in the air, slide from side to side, or ream something out.  That’s what the MC does.  A lyrical MC is an MC that puts together complex lyrics that the average human being ain’t going to think to do, and probably can’t do.

Biz Markie, LL Cool J, Guru, and Big Daddy Kane.

Let’s talk hip-hop lineage.  Give me the Big Three the era preceding you, the era you came up in, and the era immediately after you.

It started off in the early ‘80s with Melle Mel, Grandmaster Caz, and Kool Moe Dee.  Then it became about myself, Rakim, and KRS-One.  And then after us it became about Biggie, Nas, and Tupac.  That takes you up the new millennium.


There is no Big Daddy Kane without…?

Everybody in hip-hop always refers to my family tree, and me being a student of Grandmaster Caz.  Once I heard Grandmaster Caz from the Cold Crush Brothers, I was blown away.  Not only is he a great lyricist, he sounded like that dude that would come in the barbershop or into the pool hall talking shit, the dude that the kids wanted to stick around and listen to.  So I’ve always had respect for Grandmaster Caz.  I learned a lot from him when it came to writing rhymes.


Without Big Daddy Kane, there is no…?

I think Biggie and Jay-Z took what I was doing lyrically to the next level.


How did you and Jay-Z hook up?

They were trying to get Jaz-O a record deal, and a producer named Fresh Gordon asked me to come in and make a tape.  We were at his crib, and Jaz-O asked me if his man could rhyme on the tape.  I was cool with that.  It turns out that his man was Jay-Z.  After we made the tape, Gordy asked me if I could work with Jaz-O, but I told him that I liked the other kid better.  That’s how me and Jay first connected.


Was Jay-Z your hype man?

Jay was never my hype man.  I went on tour with Patty LaBelle, and I saw something new that I hadn’t seen before – I saw people onstage doing outfit changes.  I was like, “I’ve got to do this in hip-hop.”  So when I came back off tour with Patty, I asked Jay-Z and Positive K to come on the road with me.  I would do half the show and then I would leave the stage to do an outfit change.  That’s when I would call out Jay-Z and Positive K, and just let them spit for about 10 minutes while I was changing clothes.  Then I would come back onstage in a different outfit and finish the show.  This was all during my Chocolate City Tour.


Sounds like a win-win for both you and Jay-Z.

His relationship with me was very similar to my relationship with Biz in the beginning. When Biz had the Make The Music Tour, he would call me onstage and I would just spit a rhyme to the crowd in the middle of his show.  It was the same type of thing with Jay.


Did you have any idea that Jay-Z would blow up like he did?

At the time, I had no idea of the impact that Jay-Z would make.  In my mind, I always thought of Jay-Z as a dope MC, and I thought that people would really love his skills.  But Jay is a really quiet and shy type of dude, so I never envisioned him becoming the megastar that he became.  I’m so happy for him because he really deserves it.


Are you and Jay-Z still tight?

We’re still tight.  Jay had me come and do Summer Jam with him one year, which was the time he mentioned me in his song and rapped about the cuts in my eyebrows.  And I performed with him at the Barclays Center when they opened it up.  So we are cool.


All artists have their negotiables and their non-negotiables.  What are your non-negotiables?

For one, no one is writing lyrics for me. That is a non-negotiable.  There are people out there who write songs for some of the greatest singers ever, they write for legends like Marvin Gaye and Luther Vandross.  Luther’s whole career was pretty much remakes.  Willie Nelson is a great singer, incredible, but a lot of the stuff that he recorded was Kris Kristofferson’s stuff.  Nobody is writing for me.  I don’t mind if somebody writes the hook on a song, but as far as my lyrics that I’m saying for my verse, no.  I feel that that goes against the code of a real MC.


You mentioned Tupac.  How did you meet?

In 1990, I took Digital Underground with me on my Chocolate City Tour.  They were actually the opening act, and Tupac was one of the dancers there at the time.  He used to hang with two of my dancers, Scoob and Scrap, all of the time.  So I would see him every day.

Big Daddy Kane and Tupac Shakur

Tupac wasn’t Tupac yet.

Not at all.  He would sometimes ride on our tour bus, and he was always talking.  I remember him telling me that he was getting ready to do his own solo stuff.  He said it wasn’t going to be like this funny stuff with Digital Underground, because he was a serious rapper and he was going to be doing some hard stuff.


Did he rhyme for you?

Yeah.  I felt like his flow was amazing.


Could you tell that he was going to be a star?

Yeah.  He was just a cool dude, very bright.  We would talk about hip-hop, how I got my start, things like that.  He was always asking questions – questions about the stage show, about why you do this and why you do that, how you handle your business in the rap game.  When he made his impact and became a superstar I was so proud of him.


You and Tupac have a Suge Knight connection.

The year before Tupac passed, Suge Knight was trying to start a Death Row East label and he wanted me to be on it.  We all met up out in L.A., and then we went to Vegas for a Tyson fight.  Then we came back to L.A. and recorded a song, so I have all kinds of crazy memories about that.  Tupac was a great guy.  It was sad to see what happened to him.


Do you think Tupac’s fate would have been different with different people around him?

If Pac had the right mentors, I think that a lot of the stuff that was going on could have been controlled.  He needed encouragement, and it needed to be reinforced.  I remember the trip back from Vegas, and he almost got into it with some drunk dude on the plane.  I got in front of him and told him to chill.  We talked about the situation and I explained to him why you don’t want to do stuff like that.  And he was like, “You’re right.  My bad.  I didn’t know what I was thinking.”


Madonna asked you to pose with her and Naomi Campbell in her Sex book.  How did that happen?

Warner Brothers had sent me, Madonna, and Color Me Bad out to do walkthroughs at three Manhattan hospitals.  We talked to kids in intensive care, took pictures with them, stuff like that to cheer them up.  Unfortunately for me, all of these hospitals were in upper class neighborhoods.  None of these young white kids knew who the hell I was.  At one particular hospital, Madonna was pointing to me and telling the kids that I was a famous rapper.  She was showing the kids how to sing Ain’t No Half Steppin’, and I’m just sitting there amazed.  It was like, “Wow, Madonna knows my shit.”  We talked afterward, and I thanked her for that, and that’s when she said that she was doing a book.  She wanted to know if I’d be interested posing in her book, which was all photos.  And I was like, “With you?  Hell yeah.  I would love to.  I would be honored.”  And she was like, “Well, it’s going to be a book of nude photos.”  And I was like, “Shit, even better.”  That’s how it happened.


Did you know that the photo would depict a Big Daddy Kane, Madonna, and Naomi Campbell threesome?

I knew there were going to be nude shots, but I didn’t know it was going to be a sexual thing.  I didn’t learn the title of the book until later.


What was the reaction when the book came out?

There were a lot of mixed feelings.  There were people who thought I shouldn’t be naked in pictures with a pop star.  And with my Islamic background, there were a lot of people who really had a problem with me being in those photos with a white girl.


What was your take?

Madonna is a great person, and a great artist.  She showed me a lot of respect, so I enjoyed being there.  She’s a multi-talented megastar, so I was also honored that she chose me to be a part of the book.


Let’s switch gears.  You’re still one of the most fashionable hip-hop artists in the game today.  Is there an NBA player, past or present, that reminds you of you?

Clyde Frazier all day.  If you didn’t know him, your first assumption is that this dude is a pimp.  He rolls in with the big brim hat, and the long, leather quarter field jacket with the fur collar.  His hat has got that lean to it, tilted to the side.  Oh man…


When did style become important to you?

Early in the game.  I just felt like, as an artist, you should never be onstage, look out in the crowd, and see somebody dressed like you.  You need to look unique.  Prince was Prince.  Michael Jackson had the glove, Cyndi Lauper came at you with that crazy colored hair, and Isaac Hayes had the bald head.  That stuff that was always important to me.

BDK Style

You recently helped design those BDK limited edition British Walkers.

It brought back a lot of memories.  We were rocking those British Walkers in the ‘70s, so I think bringing them back was a brilliant idea.  British Walkers were the official dress shoes for hip-hop.  You’re going to a party, you want that b-boy style, you want to be dressed up, you got your British Walkers on.  You put your British walkers and a double knit sweater on, and that was pretty much the equivalent of a three-piece suit for the adults.  You know what I’m saying?


What other shoes did you wear back in the day?

In the ‘70s it was either Clyde Pumas or the Pro-Keds 69ers.  In the early ‘80s I rocked those shell toe Adidas for a while, before switching over to Fila in the mid-80s and stayed with them until the late ‘90s.


Were sneakers a territorial thing in the New York hip-hop world?

Yeah.  You could look at someone’s feet and know where they were from.  You see someone in a pair of shell toes and you immediately know that they were from Queens.  You’d see those Air Force 1s and you knew that they were from Harlem.  If you saw the Filas, you knew they were from Brooklyn.  You saw Pumas, you knew they were from the Bronx.

BIG DADDY KANE, RECORD PUBLICITY PORTRAIT, 1989. (C)REPRISE RECORDS. COURTESY:

You’ve been performing for a long time.  What’s the secret to your success?

One record can make you successful, just that one song.  It can make you successful enough to go down in history books.  Toni Basil has Mickey.  That’s all she needed.  She’s set for life.  You know what I’m saying?  So, one song can make you successful.  But if you are really a student of this craft, and you really respect what you are doing as an art form, you are going to be so deep into it that the song doesn’t even matter.  In the hip-hop world, it’s about rocking the mic and making other MCs  fear you.  It’s about making the crowd love you.  I’ve been doing that for 30 years.


If you had one piece of advice for other aspiring artists, what would that be?

Be yourself.  Don’t try to follow the trend and be like whatever is popping at the time, at the moment.  Be yourself.  Give your fans you.  If you follow what is trendy, once that trend is gone, you will be gone.  If you share what you’re really all about, they will ride with you until the end.




By:  Michael D. McClellan | If her last name grabs hold of you, it’s because Sophie Matisse is the great-granddaughter of Henri Matisse, widely regarded as the greatest colorist of the twentieth century and rivaled only by Pablo Picasso in the importance of his innovations.  Matisse’s Fauvism turned convention on its head, the short-lived movement a precursor of Abstract Expressionism and much of modern art.  Many of his works, which include The Dance, Music, Blue Nude II, The Snail, and The Red Studio, are considered masterpieces.  His final project, the Chapelle du Rosaire de Vence, is considered one of the most important religious structures of the twentieth century.

Against this backdrop stands the audacious, restless mind of Sophie Matisse, a risk-taker unafraid to embrace the family name.  Born in 1965 and raised in Cambridge, Sophie studied at the Massachusetts Collage of Art and Design in Boston before moving to Paris to attend L’Ecole des Beaux-Arts, the same institution where her great-grandfather studied decades earlier.  Sophie later moved to New York City, where she gained notoriety for Be Back in 5 Minutes, the 1999 series in which she recreated famous old master paintings while erasing the figures.  Four years later, in response the World Trade Center attacks in 2001, Sophie felt moved to reiterate the message of Picasso’s monochromatic Guernica by fusing it with Matisse’s bold palette.  Whereas Picasso’s painting is made entirely in black, white and grays (he relied upon photographs of innocent victims that he had seen in the newspapers), Sophie Matisse’s rendition of the subject is in shocking color, as if Matisse had taken the liberty of “colorizing” Picasso’s masterpiece.

Sophie Matisse

In 2004, Sophie began a new series entitled, Zebra Stripe Paintings, once again borrowing historically significant images from art history – only this time, weaving them with her own abstract imagery through patterns of zebra stripes.

Sophie released Ribbons in 2008, a series in which she divides the surface into brightly colored interlocking shapes and introduces enlarged details from her smaller gouache paintings done years earlier.  The same year, she collaborated with Killian Hennessy, heir to the Hennessy lineage of cognac makers, providing artwork for a line of fragrances.  In 2009, Sophie painted eight chess sets of her own design as part of her exhibition, The Art of the Game.

In 2010, Sophie also participated in the New York installment of an international campaign produced by the non-profit group, Sing For Hope. The project called for sixty pianos to be placed in specific public locations in and around certain chosen cities.   Sophie painted four donated pianos. Her work was later displayed in the lobby of Avery Fisher Hall and Lincoln Center promenade before being donated to a small music school in Afghanistan and to the New York Presbyterian Hospital’s Pediatric Department.

Currently, Sophie is working on a new series of small, intimate gouache works on paper in which she continues to explore the nature of life’s continuously evolving perceptions. Using her own imagery coupled often with iconic commercial and luxury brand logos, words and numbers, one’s attention is consistently refocused and reconfigured through the interaction of these varying vocabularies that the artist has layer out for us too, to explore.

 

Your grandfather was Pierre Matisse, the great American art dealer who never attempted to capitalize on the Matisse name.  Please tell me a little about Pierre.

Sophie Matisse:  I was born with a great advantage as I was also born an artist.  Pierre saw that in me.  ​Growing up, we made occasional family pilgrimages to go visit with Pierre, either in New York or in the South of France during the summer.  These visits were not always so easy​ going​ though; in fact, they were a bit stressful as Pierre was not ​the ​greatest ​conversationalist, especially during our tender​ ​childhood years.  However, he did the best he knew how but as the years drifted​, so did our conversations.

 

Did Pierre share many stories about Henri Matisse?

Sophie Matisse:  ​We rarely spoke of his father, Henri Matisse.  Pierre seemed more interested in what we were doing in our spare time.  Progressively, he became more interested in my artistic endeavors.  When I was attending L’Ecole des Beaux-Arts in Paris, he gave me carte blanche at the famous Lefebvre-Foinet, an art supply store in Paris – the same address Henri Matisse used to go for his art supplies.

 

Was Pierre critical of your art?

Sophie Matisse:  I remember when Pierre and I used to meet at his hotel when he came through Paris on his way to St. Jean Cap Ferrat, where he used to spend his summers.  He wanted to see what I was working on, so I used to bring him my sketch books.  I’ll never forget how the ​quiet and anonymous ​hotel room quickly​ ​filled with a suffocating silence as he studied my drawings – were they that good or bad to merit such muteness?!  ​After what felt like years, ​he ​would graciously resume with a ‘C’est tout?’, which was French for ‘That’s all?’  Blank faced, I ​would ​stumble out various ​polite ​excuses ​while ​implying that I had a whole array of other projects going on in the atelier.  Okay, perhaps I was lying, but I had too!  Other times, when ​I​ brought him ​more books, all filled with drawings, he would comment on how ​I​ was spending too much ​money ​at the art store!  So, the few and far between encouraging comments were deeply treasured and never expected or taken for granted.

 

Your father is sculptor Paul Matisse, a Harvard graduate and inventor of the Kalliroscope, a device which transforms electrical current into art.

Sophie Matisse:  Ever since I can remember, my father has always had a machine shop.  He’s always been deeply dedicated to learning how things work and how to fix them when they don’t.  He is the most curious person I know!  This left me with a very open mind as to what was possible for me.  And I feel that this is, in part, why I had zero hesitation when essentially replicating very meticulously painted works for my first series, Be Back in 5 Minutes in the late 90’s. He gave me a beautiful gift; a robust and healthy example of what is possible. Priceless.

 

Henri Matisse regarded his work at Chapelle du Rosaire de Vence as his masterpiece, not an insignificant statement considering some of the other works he produced.  Have you ever been there?

Sophie Matisse:  La Chapelle du Rosaire is indeed a very magical place!  It feels as though he left a part of his soul there, which he did!  The light that filters in is extraordinary, flooding the space with an invisible medicinal essence.  Every time I’ve stepped foot in this little chapel, I feel as though I’ve stepped foot into a secret parallel world from my past.  A world that existed before my time, but is part of who I am.  A truly sacred place where much is felt and little is said.

 

Your art has an undeniably hip vibe – a hint of Jean Michel Basquiat, a dash of Andy Warhol, with a bit of Banksy thrown in for good measure – creating a style that is uniquely your own.  You’ve got to be a risk taker to pull that off.

Sophie Matisse:  Yeah, I love Banksy’s work!  I never thought of myself as a big or even little risk taker, but now that you’ve mentioned it, I can see why you think that.  A Vedic astrologer once told me that I had something in my chart that suggests that I do not like to be governed or told what to do by anyone.  Freedom, in self expression, relationships, friendships, in life in general has always been the most important element for me.  To be free, one must take risks.

 

Your series Back in 5 Minutes blows me away – we’re talking genius, humor, a wink and a middle finger all rolled into one.  Henri Matisse’s goldfish bowl – goldfishless.  The Mona Lisa, AWOL.  Dig deeper, and there is more going on than sight gags…addition by subtraction, if you will.  What inspired you to produce this series?

Sophie Matisse:  One late night, I was sitting with my husband, Alain, in our New York studio.  I was flipping through a book about all the different versions of the Mona Lisa by many different artists.  By the time I was through with the book, I was so tired and had had enough of Mona disfigurations, especially right before going to sleep!  I thought, if I were her, I would just leave!  We joked about it and then after a still moment, he said, ‘…you could paint that…’  I thought it was worth a try just to see what would happen. Sure enough, while working on that first painting, I began to dream of other paintings that I loved and would love to recreate without the figures.  It was funny and refreshing for me.  I could satisfy my desire to paint while escaping – momentarily – a lot of the repetitive comparisons that come with being a painter with that last name.  People are often so busy trying to identify which painting it is that they forget all about the Matisse connection!

 

It sounds liberating.

Sophie Matisse:  I chose any painting I wanted, because I felt that anything was possible!  I was completely free.  By removing the figures it was as though, in a way, I was creating more room for myself – I too, could squeeze into art history somehow.  There was also this tremendous satisfaction I felt by essentially ‘copying’ these great masters and leaving my invisible mark, so to speak.  The idea of copying anything was utterly taboo in my family, as we had the whole world copying to various degrees Matisse’s work.  So, breaking that rule felt immensely liberating!  I even pushed it a bit further by painting Matisse’s Goldfish.  Surely, I’m going to get shit for this, or so I thought, but much to my surprise, I got none – at least none that I’m aware of, anyway!

 

You’ve made no secret that you suffer from dyslexia.  Please tell me how you’ve flipped the script on this disorder, and how art has played a big part in overcoming the challenges it presents.

Sophie Matisse:  Yes, growing up with this learning disability has definitely played a role in what I decide to make.  Sometimes seeing things in their reverse has been interesting if not actually helpful.  But the short answer would be that the kind of mistakes that usually trip me up in reading, writing or mathematics tend to go unseen in my paintings and drawings.  I actually love writing too, but drawing and painting seem to come more naturally, or more often anyway.

 

Pop culture question – Who are some of the musicians who inspire you, and what are you listening to on your media player of choice?

Sophie Matisse:  I listen to many different artists today.  Anything from classical to vintage Tunisian songs to Fat Freddy’s Drop.  There is so much out there to love!

 

Guernica is regarded by many as one of the greatest pieces of modern art ever produced, a statement unlike any other by an artist unlike any other.  You’ve re-imagined it, with the aesthetically discordant styles of Picasso and Matisse fused in a single image.  Tell me a little your inspiration behind this brilliant work.

Sophie Matisse:  My version of Picasso’s Guernica was inspired by the events of September 11th, 2001.  It was never my intention to fuse Matisse and Picasso to any capacity.  Picasso never would’ve done his painting in color and Matisse never would’ve made a painting about war.  My inspiration for the kind of colors I used came from how I see television colors – bright and brash.  And even though the colors I ended up using all came from natural sources, the effect feels to me, more artificial – similar to how I felt about the times we were living in lower Manhattan, and about the kind of information we were being fed at the time.  The paint I used was actually exactly what I was imagining and hoping to find to make the painting, and by pure chance, I came from a paint store here in New York called Guerra Paint & Pigment.  How weird is that!

“Sophie Matisse Does Guernica” exhibit, Francis M. Naumann Fine Art, February 13, 2003

 

You mentioned September 11, 2001.  Take me back.

Sophie Matisse:  I remember after 911, I was very scared that somehow life as I knew it would never be the same and that making art was something I might not ever do again.  That may sound pretty extreme, but it just goes to show how unstable I was at that time.  For a short time post 911, at the end of each day, I was always a bit surprised and relieved that we had lived another day.  Obviously, it was a difficult time and I was always convinced that we were all on the verge of getting attacked again and that I wouldn’t be so lucky to survive it this time.

 

How did 911 influence you as an artist?

Sophie Matisse:  My father wasn’t a huge fan of Picasso and I naturally followed his lead, even though I admired some of Picasso’s work.  In those first years after 911, I began to rethink my attitudes in general including the ones I had for Picasso, as I began to see pictures of his Guernica appearing in the news.  Colin Powell gave a speech at the UN in favor of going to war in front of a covered tapestry of Picasso’s Guernica.  Three guesses why it was covered!  I finally decided to recreate this painting in very bright and powerful colors – this, as a “Matisse.”  It was risky, but totally worth it.  People often think, since it’s very colorful that I painted it to look as though Matisse had done it, but that couldn’t be further from the truth!  My colors looked nothing like Matisse’s.  It’s not just because it was “colorful” that it looks like Matisse colors.

 

Picasso and Matisse had a rivalry all their own.

Sophie Matisse:  Well, that rivalry wasn’t really discussed much in my family.  We didn’t even talk a lot about Matisse, and Picasso was like some foreign element that came from some other planet – certainly not ours – and this was made clear whenever the topic came up.  It was only much later that I began to take a closer look into their relationship.  They had their own closed circuit ties and all the fuss about the rivalry perhaps existed to some extent, but more importantly there was a tremendous respect they shared towards each other, and I think that’s more interesting to think about when contemplating their art.

 

Zebra Stripes – It takes balls to pull something like this off, and you do so brilliantly, displaying a remarkable ability to fuse highly diverse images in an aesthetically compatible format.

Sophie Matisse:  The patterns you see in a zebra hide reminded me of a labyrinth or a mystical maze.  There are certain very simple things I love to just look at and contemplate.  The sky is my big favorite these days, the way natural light fills a room, shadows through trees, river water, all kinds of things.  So, the black and white aspect got me thinking about opposites or what I perceive as opposites.  Mixing my imagery with another artist’s was interesting for this reason.  I’ve always felt like a bit of an outsider in the art world. Where do I fit in with a name like mine?  Splicing up known imagery and somehow fitting them back together with my own was an interesting exercise!”

LITTLE GEORGE / 2005 – Sophie Matisse

 

Please tell me a little about your step-grandfather, Marcel Duchamp, a giant in his own right, and someone who, along with Picasso and Matisse, helped push modern art to new heights.

Sophie Matisse:  Marcel always had a truly wonderful and accepting presence in our family growing up.  He was, for me anyway, like the anti-Matisse.  Even though they ultimately shared a ferocious appetite for artistic freedom, they certainly expressed it in vastly different ways.

When I was little, Matisse had a heavy and formal presence.  All the pictures of him were in black and white, either formal portraits or informal family snapshots, but they all were of a stiff looking man that basically came across as kind of scary.  And all the photos of Marcel, on the other hand, were much softer, but it was also how my father spoke of Marcel that left such a deep impression on me.  I think, for my father, Marcel was a man who lived his life in a very simple way and was very unimposing in our family and his friends around him.  He lived a freedom and that was the name of his game.  Yet, Matisse was indeed pretty much the polar opposite.  He was my father’s grandfather and of a very different generation obviously.  The old French family ways of doing things were rigid and unforgiving.  There was only one way to do things and you better get it right the first time!  Marcel was French too, of course, but was of his own school.  Both these men were introduced to me by my father’s recounting of them and various family stories.  Marcel was a fresh lovely breeze to hear about in comparison to Henri and it was this that came across to me very clearly.

 

Ribbons and It’s Time – Please share with me some of the things going on in your life at the time of working on these collections.

Sophie Matisse:  The succession of the Ribbon and then the It’s Time series was a very interesting phenomenal coincidence!  At that time, I wanted to weed out the old imagery in my work and start using more canvas real-estate for my own abstract work.  This lead me to fitting the any old art references onto a single ribbon splashed across the canvas as if in flight or blowing away.  I liked this because it was somehow lighter and seemed coherent with my desire to not always be so locked up in the old historical imagery.  Also, the slivers that I chose were very intentional and I totally loved the transformative quality it took on.  For instance, since the ribbons gave such a such a tiny glimpse of the historical reference, it totally changes the thought process that we would normally have for that painting when we see it in its entirety.  Once I noticed this, I began to choose other imagery from magazines, such as, perfume ads, fashion pictures and even a candy wrapper.  If you take a glance at Smok’n, for instance, you’ll see a plain vertical strip revealing a young woman’s face.  The reference for that face is actually from a portrait painting by Jean-Auguste Dominique Ingres, Portrait of Madame Ingres, which depicts his second wife, Delphine Ramel.  My version suggests a young seductive lady…but when you see the original…wow, what a difference!  But I think that’s important, to be able to see and understand people by being able to use different filters.

 

Congrats on your work with Killian – I love what you’ve done with the hand-painted bottles!

Sophie Matisse:  Thank you!  Yes, the bottles, or “flacons” as we became used to referring to them as, were magical.  I hand painted 50 bottles, each with its own unique design.  I painted them at one of the most difficult times of my life.  My husband at the time, Alain Jacquet, had just been diagnosed with esophageal cancer and unbeknownst to us, had only a few months left to live.  I never allowed myself to feel anything other than optimism, praying this could help pull us through, and it certainly did pull us through, but not in the way I had expected.  In retrospect, maybe it was this kind of energy that came through in the bottles – the designs were raw and real and people went crazy for them.

 

The hand painted chess sets and pianos…something tells me that Henri Matisse would be pleased.  Did you have fun on these projects?

Sophie Matisse:  Oh yes!  I was a very happy camper painting all the pianos for Sing For Hope.  That was great!  I love painting big objects and will go back to that in some capacity one day soon, I hope.  The chess boards too…they were great fun!  In fact, I’m just finishing up three different chess sets for Purling London who sells artist’s luxury chess sets in London, they sell them at Harrods.

Chess Set – Sophie Matisse

 

Let’s talk about putting yourself out there – what’s it like to have a collection on exhibit?  Do you get nervous?  Is there any angst over what an art critic might write about something that is so deeply personal to you?

Sophie Matisse:  I’d really prefer to say that I don’t get nervous before a show or that it doesn’t matter what critics say, but in the real world, I’m not so sure that position is super common.  Of course, it’s important what people say, it’s a conversation after all!  Some critics are super slanted, we all know that, but there is such things as intelligent and insightful criticism too – which I really appreciate.

 

What are some of your favorite things to do for fun?

Sophie Matisse:  What do I do for fun?  Well, aside from painting, I love learning to write and speak Arabic because I really, really, really love it!  I love writing it!  Also, learning a new language is fun.  Plus, my beautiful husband, Amar, is Tunisian, so of course I’m not only in love with him, but also his language.  And I like solving chess problems and playing Backgammon and looking at the sky!   And I love being with animals too…maybe I’ll stop while I’m ahead…I love a lot of things, even just breathing!

 

Where do you like to hang when you’re in France?

Sophie Matisse:  Paris is a very beautiful place to be, the older parts I prefer. Also the South of France is a great destination!

 

Last question – If you have piece of life advice to pass on to others, what would that be?

Sophie Matisse:  Advice?  See the world around and within you, and always comment from your heart.


By:  Michael D. McClellan |  Imagine:  You’re twelve years old, and you wake up one morning and you’re completely blind.  Now, imagine finding the courage to rise up and continue following your dream to play high school football.  If it sounds like the stuff of movies you’re on the right track; 23 Blast opens on 600 screens nationwide on October 24, and the movie is loosely based on the life of Travis Freeman, the Corbin, KY native who was stricken with a severe sinus infection and bounces back to become the first blind football player in the country.  I caught up with Travis to talk faith, football, and overcoming incredible odds.

 

Take me back to when it all happened.  When did you know something was wrong?

Travis Freeman:  I had a migraine headache for nine straight days.  My parents took me to a couple of different doctors, and they said it was just a headache and that it would go away just as quickly as it had come.  Well, I woke up on the morning of the tenth day and the headache was gone, but my left eye was beginning to hurt.  Then it began to swell.  I went to the eye doctor, and he was looking for an eye injury but didn’t find anything wrong.  He said to go home and put some ice on it, and it should be better by morning.

I woke up that Saturday, July 3, and the eye was still hurting, and the swelling was worse.  That’s when I went back to the eye doctor and he looked behind my eye, and that’s when he saw the infection.  They rushed me to the University of Kentucky hospital, and admitted me into the ER and began running all kinds of different tests.  My temperature spiked at that point, and my head continued to swell.  They eventually found out that I had Cavernous Sinus Thrombosis, which is an extremely rare but an extremely deadly form of a sinus infection.  The doctor said that 70% of the people who have what I had die, and of the 30% that survive, only a very small percentage have normal brain activity afterward.  I was only the second case in the world where the infection only affected the eye.  So in less than 48 hours I went from perfect 20/20 vision to no vision at all.

 

You grew up in Corbin, KY, which is where the movie is based.  23 Blast focuses, in part, on the relationship between you and your friend, Jerry Baker.  Please tell me about both.

Travis Freeman:  Growing up in Corbin was a great experience.  I had a great family and church life, and God truly blessed me in that way.

Jerry was a friend of mine growing up.  When I lost my sight, I didn’t want any of my friends to come to the hospital to see me.  One day there was a knock at the door and it was Jerry.  He hung out with me all day, and helped me understand that my friends were still going to accept me,  and that everything was going to be okay.  Jerry was very instrumental in getting me out of my shell that first year.  Once we got into high school, Jerry started going in a different direction.  He wasn’t a believer, and he got wrapped up in drugs and alcohol.  A few years ago he was involved in a roofing accident and was paralyzed.  He didn’t take care of himself and died a few years later as a result of complications from the accident.  So it’s really a story of two friends and how they deal with tragedy and adversity differently.  I looked at the challenge and disability that came into my life and decided to overcome it, and, unfortunately, Jerry went down the path of feeling sorry for himself.

 

Tell me about your high school coach.

Travis Freeman:  Coach Farris was amazing.  He believed in me before I believed in myself.  My parents knew that I loved football, and that I wanted to be a part of the team again, so they went to Coach Farris and told him that they wanted me to be a part of the team.  They stressed that they didn’t expect me to play, but that it would be a good way to work out and get some exercise.  Coach Farris simply refused to those conditions.  He told them that if Travis Freeman was going to be associated with his team, then he was going to play.  He convinced my parents that he had a plan that would work.  He told them that I’d be the center, that the team would help me to and from the huddle, and that they would line me up over the ball.  And then, once the ball was snapped, I would make contact with my opponent and it would be just like anyone else blocking until the play was over.  So, in August of 1994, I stepped onto a football field as America’s first blind football player.

 

'23-Blast' Movie Poster

’23-Blast’ Movie Poster

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What position did you play before becoming blind?

Travis Freeman:  In the movie I’m portrayed as a running back who becomes a center after I lose my sight.  The real story is that I was a lineman the entire time.  When I lost my sight, I moved from tackle to center.

 

What were some of the challenges you faced after being stricken?

Travis Freeman:  The entire first year was a challenge.  I was going through everything your normal seventh grader goes through, plus my body was adapting to the trauma that it had just experienced.  I had to learn to live life all over again, because everything that I had done for the first twelve years of my life meant nothing at that point.  I had to learn how to walk again, eat by myself, dress myself, read braille, study…I had to learn to live life all over again.  So it was a matter of setting goals, achieving those goals, and moving on to the next one.

 

Faith is important to you.  Please tell me about your faith, and how it sustained you.

Travis Freeman:  The grace of God brought me through it.  I don’t remember this story, because I was on a lot of medication at the time, but my parents say that when I lost my sight I told them that I was going to see again.  And if not, then I couldn’t wait to see what God had in store for me.  That was the attitude that I had from the very beginning.  I never questioned it.  I never asked why this had happened to me, and never asked God why He had done this to me.  I just embraced the fact that God is good, God is in control, and God has my best interests in mind.  I would not be where I am today without faith.

 

What was it like playing blind?

Travis Freeman:  My teammates were great.  They embraced it from the very beginning.  They dealt with it, and it wasn’t anything out of the ordinary for them.  We never told the other team that I was blind.  They never knew, and we didn’t tell the officials.  We wanted it to be normal, and we didn’t want anyone doing anything any differently just because I was blind.

 

Tell me about the film.

Travis Freeman:  My autobiography, Lights Out – Living in a Sightless World, was just released, and the movie 23 Blast will be released on 600 screens across the country on October 24.  It’s just been a fun experience.  It’s not the Travis Freeman story, but it is a movie loosely inspired by the events in my life.

I was approached several years ago by the lady who eventually wrote the screenplay.  She said she wanted to base it on parts of my life.  Well, she came back a few years later, and she said that she’d lined up a producer and a director, and that she was coming to Corbin to film this movie.  So in April, 2012, they filmed 23 Blast in 23 days.  And now, here it is, about to be released on 600 screens nationwide.  I really believe God’s hand is at work in this project.

 

What message do you want to share with those who watch the movie?

Travis Freeman:  I want people to be inspired to overcome the obstacles that they face in their lives.  I want them to understand that disability doesn’t equal inability.  We all have disabilities and obstacles in our lives that we have to overcome, but those obstacles are not insurmountable mountains.  I just want people to be encouraged and inspired, and to realize that whatever their circumstances, they don’t have to be defined by them.