Q&A with the extraordinary

Written By: Michael D. McClellan | The on-again, off-again, on-again role of Jennifer Parker happened for Claudia Wells the way many Hollywood roles do, the recipe well-documented and often followed, her place in one of America’s most beloved films immortalized by a pinch of chance, a dash of luck, and a heaping helping of hard work. Back to the Future, concocted by the wildly successful writer-director team of Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis, had plenty going for it – Michael J. Fox as Marty McFly, Stephen Spielberg as executive producer, and the plutonium-powered DeLorean that transports Marty back in time to 1955 Hill Valley, California. As if that weren’t enough, it also had Christopher Lloyd’s hilarious star turn as Dr. Emmett Brown, his eccentricities as supercharged as the 1.21 gigawatts needed to make time travel possible; Biff’s raw-boned, dim-witted, make-like-a-tree-and-get-out-of-here bullying; and Crispin Glover, unforgettable as the oily-haired nerd who clobbers Biff and resets history at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance.

Back to the Future has only gotten better with time. (No pun intended.) It is a four-star classic, and arguably on the same plain as It’s a Wonderful Life. The film is so respected that, in 2007, it was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant.”

Wells, cast as Marty’s warmhearted girlfriend, initially found herself set to play opposite Eric Stoltz, not Fox. Problem was, she was also signed to act in ABC’s Off the Rack, and the network refused to share her with Amblin Entertainment, who moved on with another girl for the role. Stoltz then found himself jettisoned 8 weeks into production, his version of Marty McFly deemed to dark and brooding for the film being made. Enter Fox, a megastar on the hit sitcom Family Ties, and an actor with a more natural comedic vibe.

“By the time all of this transition happened,” says Wells from her highly regarded Los Angeles men’s fashion store, Armani Wells, “my work at Off the Rack had wrapped up. They considered the other girl too tall for Michael, so they recast the role and reached out. The rest, as they say, is history!”

Claudia Wells in Back to the Future

The chemistry between Fox and Wells is apparent from the jump. The clock tower scene in downtown Hill Valley, her character’s support of Marty’s passion for Rock and Roll, her desire to keep Marty out of trouble with Principal Strickland…it all sets the stage for what happens next.

“We had so much fun making that movie,” Wells says with a smile. “We weren’t trying to make a blockbuster, but it become one anyway. No one was thinking that it would be classic, but Back to the Future is a movie that is universally loved. To be a part of it has been a blessing in so many ways.”

Wells’ acting career didn’t start with Back to the Future – she had been acting in a range of television shows and specials – but it did, in many ways, signal the end. “My mother got very sick, so I decided to step away,” she says. “I was signed for the sequels, but needed to be there for her. It was the right decision, and one that I don’t regret. Being a part of Back to the Future is something I’ll treasure for the rest of my life.”

Take me back to the beginning. When did you develop an interest in acting?

We lived in San Francisco at the time, and I wanted to be an actress for as long as I could remember, even when I was two years old. I remember crying to my mother as a toddler because I didn’t think I was small enough to fit into the television set [laughs]. I had a cultured upbringing – I actually learned French before I learned English – and I can remember going to symphonies with my mother when I was five. My mother used to have me draw straws with my sister and brother to see who would go with her to the opera on Friday nights. I started performing children’s roles in opera when I was eight. I was in ten operas between the ages of 8 and 12, and I was a founding member of the San Francisco Girls Chorus. I continued to do whatever I could in San Francisco, whether that was modeling or acting, and then I convinced my mother to move to Los Angeles right before high school. That’s how determined I was to become a professional actor.


You’d started out in television in late ‘70s, doing everything from Fame to Trapper John, M.D. Do you have any favorite memories that stand out?

I was on Simon & Simon during Gerald McRaney’s directorial debut. I played a runaway who ended up getting involved in drugs, so it was very dramatic and fabulous. I did the Babies Having Babies episode of the CBS Schoolbreak Special, which was Martin Sheen’s directorial debut. That was an extraordinary experience.


Because you acted in so many shows during the ‘80s, I’m sure that you auditioned a lot.

Oh, I did a ton of them! There was a period of time during the ‘80s when the auditions came down to me, Elisabeth Shue and Phoebe Cates. It didn’t matter if it were Adventures in Babysitting or Gremlins, or anything in between. We were always competing for the same jobs. I won some and I lost others, but I never lost faith because acting was my favorite thing to do. In Fast Times [a TV show based on Fast Times at Ridgemont High], I played teenager working at a hot-dog-on-a-stick joint and hanging out with kids from school. That was pretty much how I spent my real teenage years [laughs]!


What do you remember about your Back to the Future audition?

I remember everything. I had one audition for the film, and that was it. I think that had something to do with me being a known commodity by that point, because I had been on a short list for the starring role in Goonies, Gremlins and Young Sherlock Holmes. They were all Amblin projects. By the time I auditioned for Back to the Future they all knew me.

My audition was with Bob Gale, Bob Zemeckis, Neil Canton, Steven Spielberg, and Kathleen Kennedy. Everyone was in the room. I was in there for two-and-a-half hours reading with a guy who was on his eleventh callback for the role of Marty.

Jennifer Parker (Wells) supports Marty McFly (Michael J. Fox) at the band audition

Were you nervous about auditioning in front heavy hitters like Spielberg and Zemeckis?

No, not really. I was accustomed to auditioning. By then I was doing a pilot series every year, and in between I was doing guest starring roles on episodic shows, movies-of-the-week, after-school specials, stuff like that. Because all of the casting directors knew me at that point in my career, my first audition was usually with the top executives anyway.


How secretive was the auditioning process for Back to the Future?

It was very secretive. I hadn’t been sent the script, so I didn’t really know anything about the part. They gave me the scene in advance to study, but they wouldn’t tell me the story or anything. I was given the scene where Marty and Lorraine are in the car, and she’s smoking and drinking during what turned out to be the “Enchantment Under The Sea” dance. I did that scene so many times that day! Steven Spielberg talked to me the whole time, and he asked me so many personal questions. I remember saying, “If you promise me you won’t tell my mom, I’ll answer them.” And then towards the end of the audition, Steven said, “Oh my goodness, I didn’t realize the camera was still rolling this whole time, I guess your mother is going to find out after all.” He’s a really funny man!


Did you think you had a shot at landing the role of Jennifer Parker?

I didn’t really have any thoughts about it one way or the other. I just went in and went through the audition process, and after it was over I had to prepare for a commercial audition later that afternoon. If you can believe it, I was more nervous about the callback for the commercial than I was for the Back to the Future audition, because I wasn’t as accustomed to the commercial side of the business. Thankfully it all worked out and I got the role of Jennifer Parker. Today, all these years later, it’s still such a huge aspect of my life. I get to be the Jennifer who travels the world and gets to do these interviews. It’s amazing, and I can’t be more honored or excited about it. I have nothing but love for Back to the Future and all of the people involved with it. I love them with all of my heart.


Once you landed the role and were given a script, do you recall your reaction to it?

When I was finally given a script, Bob Gale told me that each page had a secret number imprinted on it. He said that if the script was ever Xeroxed, that number would come out really bright, and everyone would know whose script wound up in someone else’s hands. It wasn’t until recently when we were on a panel discussion that I mentioned that, when Bob smiled, looked at me, and said, “Did you actually believe that?” I was like, “Yeah, I did!”

Jennifer Parker and Marty McFly, Clock Tower scene

What was your first impression after reading the script?

When I did read the script, I had a full two pages of questions. Things like, “If Marty’s here at this point in the film, and then later he’s over there…” I wanted to make sure it all made sense in my head. Watching the movie today, it all absolutely makes sense, but when you’re reading the script for the first time, and the movie has yet to be made, it could be hard to visualize. I would call Bob with all of my questions and he’d answer them, but sometimes he’d say, “You know, you shouldn’t think about it that much. Just do it.” He wanted me to trust my instincts.


Did you think Back to the Future would be a blockbuster?

I didn’t look at Back to the Future as this big, blockbuster movie, and I don’t think anyone else on the set did, either. It was an amazing script and I loved it, and I did feel blessed to be working with people like Michael J. Fox and Stephen Spielberg, but I was focused on the actual work involved and the part that I played. My thought process was that I was an actress on set, and I was going to do the best job that I could. Only after it was released did it hit me, because when you do television, it’s over right after it airs. I remember thinking, “This movie is going to be shown all day every day, all over the world. I sure hope I do a good job!”


Was Bob Gale as approachable as I’ve read?

Bob Gale made himself completely accessible from the very beginning. We connected instantly. He was the one I always called, and he always made time to answer my questions. We’ve kept in touch through the years. To this day, I email him every time I take a trip related to Back to the Future. I’ve been blessed to travel the world because of the film’s popularity, so I’m always emailing him and saying, “I’m going on a trip next week. Thank you for casting me.” I’ve been doing that for years.

The other thing about Bob is that he always tells me the truth. He’s in my inner circle of friends, and those are the ones who always tell me the straight-up truth, good or bad. I saw him at an event a couple of years ago – I’d always wanted to try being blonde, and the first thing he said to me when he saw it was, “Your hair looks terrible. Change it.” I thought, “Okay, that hurt.” But, you know what? He was right. It wasn’t said to hurt my feelings. We’ve had fun with it since then. Whenever I see him, I always ask, “How’s my hair cut? What do you think about the color?” He’ll be my friend to the day I die.


Let’s get this straight: You were selected for the role of Jennifer Parker, but you had to turn around and back out?

I had done a pilot for the ABC series Off The Rack with Edward Asner, Eileen Brennan and Dennis Haysbert, and then I got the role of Jennifer Parker in Back to the Future. Well, Off The Rack got picked up at the same time I was supposed to play Jennifer, and ABC would not share me with Amblin. The contract was straightforward. I had to back out of being Jennifer. It was not up to me. I had no choice in the matter. Even Ed Asner was like, “Let the kid do the Spielberg movie.” But ABC was pretty clear about not wanting to share me.

I didn’t feel awkward about it, and I wasn’t upset with ABC’s decision. I remember sitting in the living room of my mother’s tiny Beverly Hills apartment when she came in and said, “Claudia, you’ve just been released from the movie.” I just said, “Okay.” That was it, and then I went ahead and did 6 episodes of Off The Rack. Meanwhile, they recast my role in Back to the Future and went with another girl. Her name is Melora Hardin. You probably know her better as Jan from The Office.

Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker

Michael J. Fox wasn’t the first choice to play Marty McFly?

Eric Stoltz was originally cast to play Marty. I knew Eric prior to Back to the Future because we took acting classes together when he first came to Hollywood to be an actor. In fact, we had both taken one of the last master classes that Stella Adler ever taught. I’ve always been so impressed with his acting. He’s brilliant. He was very “method” during the time we spent together for Back to the Future. He always called me Jennifer. He would even call me at home and ask to speak to Jennifer [laughs].


How much did you work with Eric on the movie?

I didn’t actually work with him on set. I got to know him from hanging out at functions, and from talking to him on the phone. I never did a single line with him, and we never went over any scenes together or anything. We did do a photo shoot on the backlot at Universal Studios, and we also took some photos that supposed to be in Marty’s wallet in the film. After I had to drop out, they shot other scenes for the next eight weeks.


What happened next?

Things didn’t work out with Eric Stoltz, so Michael J. Fox was brought in to play Marty. The producers felt that Melora Hardin was too tall to play opposite the new Marty and, as fate would have it, I had finished my work on Off the Rack, so I was recast to play Jennifer Parker. I literally got my part twice!

Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker

Both you and Michael J. Fox were latecomers to Back to the Future, and the shooting had been going on for several weeks. Did you have any time for rehearsal?

Not at all. We rehearsed on set before we did each scene. The pace was very relaxed, and that was all new to me. What’s interesting was that I was used to doing as many as 25 pages of dialogue a day, which was pretty typical with my TV experience. Going from that to half a scene every day on Back to the Future was very unusual for me. I felt like I should be doing more.


What did you do with the free time?

Michael and I would hang out in a BMW in the driveway and just listen to music. It was a relaxed, easygoing experience – except during the clock tower scene, because there were so many things that had to be perfect at the same time. The girls doing their aerobics, and all of those pan shots – that was all one scene. That was the only time that I perceived stress on set, but it wasn’t with us. It was with the technical guys wanting it to be absolutely perfect. Other than that, I never noticed anyone stressed ever, on any level.


Did you know Michael J. Fox prior to filming Back to the Future?

No. I knew that Michael was a pretty big deal from Family Ties. I really felt sheltered compared to him because the way that I was raised was very “un-Los Angeles.” Being a normal teenager wasn’t really me. Hanging out with Michael and listening to music from the radio stations he liked, that was a whole new world for me because I was always working and with adults. Getting to hang out with someone close to my age made me feel like a real teenager for the first time.


Do you have a favorite on-set memory?

Because I was always filming or working, I never really had a boyfriend in high school or any of the things that go along with that. So, when Michael and I were walking together and he’d stick his hand in my back pocket like a boyfriend would, I just felt like I’d reached the pinnacle of, “Wow, this must be what it’s like to be a girlfriend!” That might seem silly, but I’d never really experienced that normal, relationship experience that everyone else had experienced by the age of 18. To me, that was very special.


How did you prepare for the role of Jennifer Parker?

I gave Jennifer a complete background. I had notes on Jennifer – how she did in school, who her parents were, who she was as a person, how she grew up. I had a whole background on her as a human being. She was a full and complete person to me. She and I had a lot in common. Our natural personality traits were very similar. I was shy and innocent like she was. She was based on who I was in a lot of ways.

Jennifer Parker and Marty McFly - Back to the Future

What do you remember about getting to see the movie for the first time?

I saw Back to the Future at the screening, and I was nervous, nervous, nervous! I’d never seen myself on a huge screen up to that point, just on TV screens. The movie was getting a lot of buzz. I went to the screening with one of my best friends at the time, and he said I squeezed his hand so tightly he almost scream bloody murder in the darkened theater. One of my favorite moments was when they filled the whole screen with the clock tower flyer. It was my handwriting: “I love you, 555-4823.” I had gone to a private French elementary school, and they had never taught us normal writing, only cursive, and when I saw my handwriting on the screen, my heart started pounding. And then I thought: “Wow, if I had known, I would have written it much more carefully!”


The first movie was such a gigantic hit that two sequels were quickly planned, but you made a decision not to reprise your role as Jennifer Parker.

When we saw the film, my mother elbowed me and said, “Get ready, there is going to be a sequel.” She really wanted me to do the sequels, but she was diagnosed with cancer not long after that and she became very ill. There was so much turmoil at home at the time that I completely backed out of the industry. It was my decision. I wanted to be there for my mother.


Did you go to see the sequels?

I did! I went to see Part II and Part III all by myself. I got my popcorn and I slumped down in my seat and I watched both movies just like everyone else. It was an odd experience, because I was like, “Wow, that’s the movie that I should be in!” It’s funny that Elizabeth Shue got the part, because I’d screen tested for Adventures in Babysitting. That role had come down to her, me, and Phoebe Cates. So, the fact that she wound up getting my role in Back to the Future has its own funny synchronicity.


Looking back, what does it mean to be part of such a beloved film?

It’s hard to put into words. The fans have been so loving and supportive through the years, and it’s only gotten to be more so as time as passed. People all over the world have been so loving and generous with their comments and hugs and beautiful memories of what the film has meant to them. Looking back, Jennifer Parker was exactly who I was at the time. The movie was so beautifully written, and I just fell into the part. It came natural to me. I think the core value of the movie is that love conquers everything, and that dreams can come true. As Marty himself said, “If you put your mind to it, you can do anything.”

All grown up - Claudia Wells in front of her L.A. men's shop, Armani Wells

What do you think the legacy of Back to the Future will be?

The legacy is that it’s still loved, and loved by new generations. I get little kids coming up to me recognizing it. To me, Back to the Future is in the same class as It’s a Wonderful Life. It’s timeless, which is ironic since the move is based on time travel.


Final Question: If you could jump in that DeLorean and transport yourself back to the young girl who snagged the role of Jennifer Parker, not once, but twice, what would you say?

I would tell her not to put so much pressure on herself. I would tell her that she’s a good, decent, and honest person, and that God loves her unconditionally.


Written By: Michael D. McClellan | The stifling summer heat arrives in Charleston the same time Patrick Walker does, both equally hellbent on making history at the 2019 Public Courts Tennis Tournament. Unyielding, oppressive forces each in their own right, it’s the heat that strikes first, the vast area of hot and sultry air swallowing the Kanawha Valley whole and driving all of the title matches indoors at Charleston Tennis Club. Walker, the former head pro at CTC and now the tennis el jefe at Windmill Harbour’s South Carolina Yacht Club, takes the court not long after, one win away from equaling the most Men’s Open titles in the tournament’s storied, 60-year history. That the very man standing in his way also stands across the net from him on this day is, in a word, poetic; James Kent and Patrick Walker’s dominance, much like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal’s dominance on a grander scale, has come to define an era of tennis in a region known for producing tennis thoroughbreds. (Think Charleston’s Anne White, who reached the fourth round of both the French Open and U.S. Open in the early ‘80s, or Huntington’s Jeff Morrison, who beat future World No. 1 Juan Carlos Ferrero at Wimbledon in 2002, and you begin to get the idea.) And, like Federer and Nadal, theirs is a rivalry intertwined for the better part of two decades, one player older and in possession of the all-time Public Courts crown, the other chasing relentlessly from behind.

Beast Mode: Patrick Walker

But there’s much more to it than that. There is plenty to unpack when examining the James Kent / Patrick Walker dichotomy, their relationship running far deeper than the outcome of the match on this day, regardless of its significance. A Kent win gives him 11 titles to Walker’s nine. A Walker win squares them at 10 apiece. At 40 years old, and with a thriving financial business and three young children to raise, Kent enters the match as the clear underdog. Walker, seven years his junior and his game sharp from teaching tennis daily, is the prohibitive favorite. The 6-4, 6-1 result fulfills that prophecy, and as they shake hands at the net and reporters gather for interviews, fifteen years of shared Public Courts domination gives way to the mutual admiration each man has for the other. In a sport where love is a fundamental element, the love that truly counts is evident in the eyes of both the victor and the vanquished. You don’t get there just by blasting 130-mph serves at each other, or just by ripping forehands that explode from the string bed in a beautifully timed act of violence. Had they only measured themselves against the other’s greatness all these years, their weapons on full display but the emotional core of their rivalry removed from the equation, James Kent versus Patrick Walker still would have been compelling theatre. All of the haymakers and deft counterpunching aside, we really care because the storylines and backstories involved have everything – and nothing at all – to do with the game of tennis.

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I have had the privilege to watch Patrick’s development as a tennis player from the age of 11 until now. When I first moved to Huntington in 2001, I coached him in the junior tennis program at Ritter Park. Patrick was obviously a very athletic kid with a nice, calm personality off of the tennis court, but he got upset with himself easily on the court. His voice was so high-pitched at the time, which was hilarious looking back. Great memories of a great friend.– James Kent

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Wind the clock back to the pre-Y2K world that is 1997. Smartphones are primitive, app-less devices still used for – wait for it – making phone calls.  Deep Blue beats chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov at his own game. Mike Tyson takes a bite out of Evander Holyfield’s ear. A 21-year-old Tiger Woods becomes the youngest-ever golfer to win the Masters. Princess Diana dies fleeing the paparazzi.

In 1997, a preadolescent Patrick Walker is in the larva stage of his love affair with tennis, picking up a racquet at the urging of his father, a surgeon who himself had once played at the collegiate level. The game comes naturally to Patrick. Even back then his flexibility is off the charts, his torso capable of winding and unwinding like a human rubber band, a gift from God that is, for tennis players everywhere, the Holy Grail of racquet head speed.

For Patrick, tennis is fun from the jump – he starts out hitting with his father before graduating to junior tennis, clinics, and private instruction – but what’s really big at this moment in his life is basketball. When he’s not watching, he’s playing. When he’s not playing, he’s dreaming. Young Patrick is consumed with all things Michael Jordan, from the shoes to the swagger to the tongue sticking out on those drives to the rim. He’s geeked out over the movie Space Jam and believes that one day he too can be like Mike, escaping earth’s gravity long enough to throw down an array of acrobatic dunks. He can recount every second of the Chicago Bulls’ fourth quarter run against the Utah Jazz in Game 6 of the ’97 NBA Finals, a run culminating with MJ’s perfect pass to Steve Kerr for the 17-foot jumper that wins the championship. Quiz him about that Bulls team and 11-year-old Patrick Walker knows every player on it, from His Airness to Scotty Pippen to the Jordanaires who come off the bench to spark that run. He can also rattle off a good number of players from just about every other NBA team, and why not? He’s already a student of the game, a dreamer who sees himself on the same trajectory as the players currently balling in The Association.

Teacher, Rival, Friend: James Kent

Whereas basketball is his first love and the girl to whom he gives his first kiss, tennis is his steady. He’s already better than most other kids his age, and has more natural ability than nearly everyone else ahead of him. The heavy forehand, coupled with catlike reflexes and on-the-fly instincts that can’t be taught, suggest a future connected to the sport in some way. The better his game becomes, the more vested he becomes in it. Soon he can’t get enough. Working with Kent at Ritter Park fuels the fire. Kent, fresh off a successful college tennis career at West Virginia University, is the complete package, a workmanlike player who checks all the boxes and does everything well. And when he plays exhibitions at Ritter, he provides his young protégé with a glimpse of what it will take for him to go next level. His game is also built on power, but it’s far more nuanced than Walker’s: Sublime balance. Gorgeous footwork. Bombing serves. Even better returns. He focuses. He defends. He’s a master of point construction. It’s a blueprint that Walker will follow in the coming years, weaponizing it with his own breathtaking athleticism and then using it to unnerve and overcome the man he calls teacher, friend, and rival.

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Patrick’s game jumped up several levels while he worked with a local pro, Murphy Payne. He trained maybe 6 hours a day or more for numerous years until he was about 17 or 18. At the time, I was traveling on the Futures circuit. I would hit with him from time-to-time and knew that he was going to be really good. In fact, I played him in the Ashland City Championships when I finished the Tour and beat him 6-4, 6-4. I remember thinking after the match that it might be a long time before I would beat him again.– James Kent

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For as long as I have known Pat he has provided a solid foundation as a friend, coach and mentor to me and my two sons. He’s always there for encouragement, support and guidance. I am forever grateful to have him in our lives; he’s family.”  Lisa Kolb Hughes

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Patrick Walker comes from a big family. John and Peggy Margaret Walker had two children of their own before adopting seven more, including Patrick, so it’s fair to say that the Walker house is an uninterrupted blur of activity for the better part of a decade –of impromptu sleepovers, board game marathons, play rehearsals, bike rides, chase in the front yard, movies and popcorn on a Friday night. It’s hard to imagine the kitchen getting a break, or the washer and dryer for that matter. There are also plenty of lessons to be learned in a house teeming with people, universal concepts like cooperation, patience, understanding, and forgiveness. There’s laughter and hurt feelings. There are sibling rivalries, and the occasional hostility that comes along with them. There’s competition – over the bathroom, the phone, the most comfortable chair in the living room, the last candy bar in the pantry. And there’s responsibility – the trash needs to go out, the groceries need put up, and the grass needs cut. All things that shape Patrick Walker into the man that he is today.

Already Smiling: Baby Patrick Walker

Fast-forward to 2018. Walker is the head pro at CTC, his positive attitude and magnetic personality impossible to ignore, his flock of young-and-impressionable tennis campers hanging on every word. If he has a bad day it rarely if ever shows. He’s idolized for his tennis exploits and loved for the way he makes each camper feel as if they’re the very reason he teaches tennis. The charm is hardly an act: There’s a genuine warmth at work here, the kind that comes from growing up in the loving chaos of a big family. He uses these skills every day, drawing on life experiences to better relate to his students. It doesn’t matter if one kid is preternaturally suited to game, and another can barely hold a racquet. Patrick Walker treats them all the same.

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The first thing I think of is the kind of person Patrick is inside. I respect him as a player because he’s amazing, and I consider him a great coach as well. But more important than that, he is enjoyable to be around. I am very fortunate that I got the chance to be around him as I grew up. It was also a lot of fun to work with him in the CTC summer camps as well, and getting to see how the kids enjoyed being around him and learning from him. He has an infectious personality.– Anthony McIntosh

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Pat is undoubtedly one of the most skillful tennis players I have ever witnessed. Pat’s groundstrokes are pure and dangerous from every corner of the court. I had an opportunity to play against Pat, and every time I returned his serve I felt like a truck had hit me. Beyond that, he is a great ambassador for tennis, both on and off the court. Pat is an excellent tennis player and coach, but more importantly, he is a great friend.– Alek Gracin

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In 2005, James Kent equals Kevin Ball’s record by winning his seventh Public Courts Men’s Open titles. That championship also represents a changing of the guard, as Kent, still in his prime, has to deal with a young Patrick Walker in full effect. Walker proves as much by dominating Kent a year later, 6-4, 6-1, staking his claim as the best player in the region. In 2007 he beats Jacob Eddins, 6-1, 6-3, a two-time West Virginia high school state singles champion. Adam White upsets Walker in 2008, with heat and cramps playing a factor. Walker reclaims his crown in 2009, beating Kent 7-6, 6-3, and defends his title three years running, beating Chad Pierron (7-6, 6-1) in 2010; Chris Pratt (6-1, 7-5) in 2011; and Pratt again in 2012 (7-6, 6-7, 6-4). By winning the title six times in seven years, Walker is now breathing down the necks of both Ball and James for all-time Public Courts supremacy.

Patrick Walker in action during the Public Courts Tennis Tournament

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I hated losing to Patrick, actually, but I always respected how far his game has come. He wasn’t a great junior player but he turned into a monster. I wish he could have played a couple of years full-time on the pro circuit to see his full tennis potential. However, he lets his tennis racquet do the talking on the court, much like me. We both compete hard, win some, lose some, but always show up for the battles.– James Kent

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In 2013 it’s Kent who finally bests Walker in the final, winning 7-5 (7-6), 4-6, 7-5. The win means Kent stands alone at the Public Courts championship summit, but for how long? Walker, at 27, is in his prime; Kent, a seasoned 34, is starting a family and growing a business. The win buys Kent time, but the unyielding duality of age and responsibility conspires against him. But that’s a conversation for another day. On this day Kent is king, and the rivalry rages on.

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I broke the all-time record for Public Courts singles titles in 2013 by beating him. Mentally, it was one of the toughest matches of my life. It wasn’t the best quality match for either of us, but we fought each other tooth and nail.– James Kent

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Walker wins his seventh title a year later, beating Ryan Massinople, 6-3, 6-3. There is a circle of life feel to this final, given that Massinople was a long-time student under Walker, just as Walker’s future had once been shaped by Kent. That Massinople defeats Kent in the semis only adds to the intrigue. It’s also a reminder that time waits for no one; Walker, the new kid on the block not that long ago, is now being hunted by the next generation of tennis players. He’s no longer the young man striking out on his own and trying to make it on the ITF circuit, bouncing from one city to the next, grinding through the qualifiers in hopes of breaking through to the main draw. Those carefree days are long gone. He’s got that day job at CTC now, where he gives lessons to kids like Massinople, who dream of one day beating Walker at his own game, just like Walker is doing to Kent now.

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Kent enjoys a renaissance the next two years, beating Chris Pratt (6-2, 6-1) in 2015 and Walker (7-6, 3-6, 6-3) in 2016, pushing his Public Courts singles haul to 10. At age 37, Kent straddles the line between perennial contender and lion in winter, his championship days clearly numbered.

For now, Walker has no such problem. He wins the next two – a 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 gem against Kent in 2017, and an equally tense match a year later, defeating former University of Charleston No. 1 player Alec Foote, 2-6, 7-6, 6-4. That win completes a three-peat for Walker gives him nine titles, again drawing him to one behind Kent.

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Pat is a genuine guy that will always make you laugh. He’s a tough competitor on the court, and I wish his serve wasn’t so damned big [laughs]. It’s been a pleasure playing against him at Public Courts, it’s always been a battle.– Alec Foote

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James Kent and Patrick Walker each have 10 Public Courts titles now. Who knows what the future holds. Kent’s family and business responsibilities aren’t slowing down anytime soon, and Walker teaches tennis in Hilton Head Island. Whether they meet again for Public Courts supremacy is anyone’s guess, but what they’ve given us over the past decade is beyond special. More importantly, what they’ve given each other is something that will last a lifetime.

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The day of that 2019 final against Patrick, I decided that maybe it’s my last match at Public Courts because I have three little kids and things going on. I have not decided if I will play it in 2020. I owe him the opportunity to compete for the all-time Public Courts singles titles against me. Either way, I wish him nothing but the very best. I have appreciated our friendship over the years. He’s very honest and caring, and I would imagine that’s why people are drawn to his magnetic personality. I am happy for him and his family, and wish him the best of luck going forward. I’m very thankful for the time we’ve spent together, and for our friendship. Patrick Walker is a difference maker, and my life is better because of it.– James Kent

Take me back to the beginning.

I had a great childhood. I was born at The Ohio State University, and was adopted by my parents when I was four months old. There are nine of us – two are biological and the rest are adopted – so mama’s got a big heart on her.

My mom wasn’t very athletic but she was very brainy and loved to read, so she was the bookworm in the family. She went to Michigan State University and became a math professor at Marshall University after we moved to Huntington. She’s one of six siblings, so she came from a big family, which is probably why she wanted to adopt and have a big family of her own. She’s a very creative person as well. She loves to sing and act, and she also learned how to play the harp and the piano. When I was three or four, she contracted a disease that affected her legs and limits her walking ability, so she’s been in a wheelchair almost all of my life. I admire my mom greatly because she never let her disability get her down, and never used it as an excuse. She’s a strong-willed lady in that respect. She set a great example for us to follow.

Chill Time: Peggy Margaret Walker enjoys a moment with her children

My father went to medical school at the University of Missouri and played tennis there, which is a big reason that I got into tennis in the first place. He did his residency in Columbus before moving to Huntington to practice. He’s still a general surgeon at the VA hospital in Huntington and still does surgery there, but not quite as often these days because he’s taken on a bigger role in administration. I guess you could say he’s the big guy [laughs].


You were home schooled. What are some of the memories that stand out?

Mom and dad are Lutheran, so I went to preschool at the Lutheran Church. Our mother then home schooled both me and my sister, who is four months older than I am, which I actually liked a lot because I didn’t have to wake up early, I could do schoolwork in my pajamas, and I could eat whatever I wanted without being limited. I could also live on the court, either playing basketball or tennis, which better suited my personality. All of my brothers and sisters were into acting and singing, but not this guy. This guy is active, and if he’s going to perform it’s going to be in a sports atmosphere. I did go out for acting once to make my mom happy. I was the Mayor of Munchkin City in a school play, so I did my part on stage [laughs].

All Smiles: John T. Walker and his son, Patrick

You started out playing basketball and then transitioned to tennis.

Basketball was my thing early on. There were times when I’d go outside and practice till midnight, and other times when the neighborhood kids would come over and play. Back then I was consumed with Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. I grew up watching Jordan play against the guys like Karl Malone, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird. I caught a glimpse of the great Dr. J, but unfortunately he wasn’t in his prime.

I eventually got into gymnastics, baseball, and tennis, but I lived and breathed basketball until I was 10 years old. Ironically, it was basketball that led me into tennis. Dad was watching me play in a game where I made a block and converted some acrobatic layups, so I think he recognized my potential. He was like, “Your flexibility is ridiculous. Let’s try tennis. Let’s see what happens.” And I was like, “Can I still play basketball?” He said, “If you play tennis then you get to play basketball,” so it became this equal sports reality where dad taught me the basics of tennis, and I continued to have fun playing basketball every chance I could. Then I got better at tennis and started to fall in love with the game, and before long it naturally started to take over my recreational time. It wasn’t long after that that I began to play the game competitively.


Do you remember your first match?

Yes [laughs]! I played my first match when I was 11 years old, against a kid named Jared Miller. He had been playing for a while, and he really kicked my butt. When it was over I looked at my dad and said, “I’m good, I don’t want to compete. I’m done with this tennis thing. I think I’ll just go back to playing basketball.” But dad didn’t let me off the hook. He explained that it was just one match, and he promised me that I would figure it out. He was like, “You will have those types of days, Patrick. You’ll actually learn more from the losses than you will from the matches you win.” Then he asked me if I’d learned anything. I thought for a minute and said, “Yeah. I learned not to play tennis ever again!” He repeated the question, and I told him that it was going to take a while to figure out this tennis thing, and that I had a lot to learn. He smiled and said, “That was the whole purpose of this first match. Patrick, you are on your way to becoming a tennis player.”

Patrick Walker

Did you jump straight from hitting with your father to private lessons?

No, the next step in my development was playing in clinics. I was 12 years old at this point. I was still hitting with dad, which was great, but the clinics allowed me to get to know the other kids that were playing. There was also a social aspect that I really enjoyed. I looked forward to the time on the court, but the time before and after was fun as well. It was also a great transition to private lessons.


Who were some of the pros that influenced your growth as a tennis player?

At about the age of 14 I started taking lessons from a guy named Tim Keegan, who taught at Ritter Park in Huntington. Tim worked with me until a guy named Billy Levi came to town. Billy was a great guy. He taught lessons at Guyan Golf & Country Club in Huntington, as well as at the Huntington Tennis Academy on Fifth Avenue near Marshall University. Billy made me love tennis a little more because he made the game fun. He was very hands on, and you could tell by his energy that he loved the game, which helped to motivate me to practice and play harder.

Eventually, Billy found a better job opportunity in Ohio and had to leave the area, and at that point I started working with a guy named Keith McCarthy. Keith wasn’t really hands on, but he was very technical and went down into the really intense parts of tennis. He was also very direct and blunt. He was like, “You gotta do this, and you gotta do this, and here is what you really need to work on.” He would propose a challenge of some kind, maybe fifty forehands down the line without an error. I’d work on it until I met the challenge, and the he’d give me another one. My game started to take on a different vibe because of Keith, and my confidence started to go through the roof. Then a guy named Murphy Payne came along. Murphy’s the one who really took my game to the next level. He helped me see the game in an entirely different way.

All of these teachers were important building blocks in my development. They helped make the game fun, and they also showed me how to compete both physically and mentally.


As a young player on the way up, what was it like to hit with James Kent?

James was teaching outdoors at Ritter Park, and during the winter months they would build the bubble so we could hit year round. I love challenges, and beating James became my next big challenge. My game kept getting bigger. My confidence was through the roof. Then I played him that first time, and I quickly learned I nowhere close to taking him down [laughs].

Patrick Walker and James Kent at the Ashland City Championships

Kent pushed you to become a better tennis player.

James is about eight years older than I am. He was fresh out of college at the time, and I was still trying to graduate from high school. It was a fun, challenging period in my tennis life, and a lot like the movie Groundhog Day; we would play and he would beat me down, then I would go off and try to improve my game, and then we would play again and he’d beat me down all over again. It really opened my eyes. I made a list because I knew that if I were going to beat him, these were the things that I needed to do. So I kept playing, kept practicing, and kept setting goals that I could achieve. One New Year’s Eve I said to myself, “This is the day. I’m going to do it right here. I’m playing too good to lose.” We warmed up and I felt really good about how I was striking the ball. Then, about 2 ½ hours later, I walked off the court having beaten him 6-4, 7-5. After being dominated by James Kent for so long, it felt really good to finally break through. I felt like I had taken a big step.”


Around this time, you played an exhibition match against Jeff Morrison.

One day I was hitting with Murphy at the Huntington Tennis Academy when Jeff Morrison and his dad walked in. Jeff was from Huntington and had played at the University of Florida, where his doubles partner was Marty Fish. I believe they won two NCAA titles together. Jeff was Top 100 in the world at one time, and in 2002 he beat Juan Carlos Ferrero to reach the quarterfinals at Wimbledon. Ferrero would go on to hold the World No. 1 ranking, so Jeff beating him at Wimbledon was a really big deal.

Being from Huntington, everyone in the tennis community knew Jeff. He’d played exhibitions with people like James Blake, Julie Ditty, and Todd Martin, so when he walked in that day the place was buzzing. I wanted to make an impression, because I was hoping Jeff might like to hit with me. I’m blasting balls at Murphy and he’s ripping them back, and for about 10 minutes I’m not missing. I’m busting my butt and pouring the sweat. Jeff hits with his dad on the next court, and then they leave without saying a word. I took that as an insult. I’m thinking to myself, “Just because you are the top guy in Huntington and you’ve made the ATP Tour, why would you walk into the Tennis Academy and blow off another local up-and-comer who wants to hit?”

A little later, Jeff’s dad comes up to me and says, “Hey, Jeff is putting on an exhibition, would you want to play against him?” I was like, “Of course!” It took about a week to set up, so I used that time to prepare, and then we played the exhibition at the Huntington Tennis Club in Barboursville. I remember walking in and a guy asking me how many games I thought I’d get. I said six. Someone else walked by and asked the same question, and I gave him the same answer. Then we played and I beat him 7-6 in a tiebreaker. Those guys couldn’t believe that I’d just beaten Jeff Morrison, a guy who’d reached No. 85 in the world. Man, it was so much fun! It also boosted my confidence because he was fresh off the Tour and I’d stepped out there and played really well against him. After that exhibition I decided to go pro, so playing and beating Jeff was a big deal.

Pool Time!

Did you go out and celebrate?

I celebrated by playing a doubles exhibition right after our match [laughs]. Scott Zent was my partner. We’d never met up to that point. Scott was so good with his hands, he could do anything he wanted to with the ball. You play tennis with someone like that and you learn things about the game that you never thought were possible.


You played 7-time Public Courts champ Kevin Ball when you were 14.

It was in the Royal Tournament at CTC, on the stadium court, and Kevin beat me 6-3, 6-2. I was convinced I’d beat him without much effort, and afterwards I was like, “Who is this guy?!” Losing to him taught me not to take anyone lightly.


Was there a rematch?

The Daymark Tournament was next. I was hoping that Kevin would play, because I wanted another crack at him. He didn’t play, but Ron Williams did. I didn’t know anything about Ron Williams, but it didn’t take me long to find out. He was from Australia, a very good athlete, and one heck of a tennis player. We met in the finals, and he really knew how to use his height. He was also very cerebral, the kind of player who always seemed to be thinking one step ahead of you. We split sets and then I beat him 6-1 in the third. I walked off the court and someone says, “Do you know who you just beat?” That’s when I learned about some of the things he’d accomplished on the tennis court. After that, I wasn’t so bummed about not getting the chance to redeem myself against Kevin Ball.

Toe-to-Toe: Alec Foote and Patrick Walker battle in the 2018 Public Courts Men’s Open Finals

You followed James Kent onto the ITF circuit.

I got my GED and graduated from high school, and then I told my dad that I wanted to go pro. He asked me if I was sure, like any good parent would do, and I promised him that I was ready and that I would attack it. That’s when I started touring with Murphy. We went to Illinois and Indiana and played the ITF Futures, which were $15,000 and $20,000 tournaments. It’s extremely competitive. You have to win four qualifier rounds just to get into the main draw. The main draw is where you get your ATP points. You have to win six matches to earn one point. If you think about that, it’s insanely difficult. It’s very cutthroat out there.


Tell me about your first Futures match.

I played a very close and competitive match against a young kid from the Czech Republic. He had a ton of talent, and everyone was talking about him making it on the ATP Tour. It was a confidence booster for me even though I’d come up short on the scoreboard. When you’re on the circuit, you really don’t have time to dwell on the result. As soon as you lose it’s over, and you’re on to the next city and the next tournament.


How did the next tournament go?

I won three matches and made it to the last round of the qualifier, where I end up playing a kid from Wake Forest. I was a little nervous stepping onto the court that day because I knew what was at stake. I tried to keep the moment from getting too big for me but I was really young, had never played college tennis, and had gone straight to the pro circuit. I got tight and lost the match 6-3, 6-4. It was disappointing, but I had to chalk it up as a misstep and then learn from the experience. That’s what you do when you’re trying to make it. But, in my own defense, I was learning on the fly.

Patrick Walker

You end up cutting your ITF career short. Tell me about that.

We traveled to a tournament in North Carolina, which was fun because James Kent was there and we were able to hit and socialize a little bit. I easily beat my first opponent. My second match ends when the kid I’m playing gets heat exhaustion, so now I’m into the third round and playing a kid from the University of South Carolina. He’d won the national championship that year, so I knew he would be a big challenge. I lost that match 7-5, 7-6. I was super excited about the score and the way I’d played, but dad called and said it was time to come home. I tried to convince him that I was almost there, but he said, “You might be close, but we don’t have any more time because I’m running out of money [laughs].” That’s when I came back and started teaching tennis.


Most people don’t realize how expensive it is to play on the circuit. It’s not as glamorous as one might think.

Trying to make it on the circuit is insane. It’s so expensive. If you are not Top 150 you aren’t making it. You scraping along and pinching every penny. You’ve got to pay to string your rackets. You’ve got to pay for your hotel, your gas, your food, your clothes, the whole shebang. It is expensive in a hurry, especially if you’re not cracking the main draw and winning matches. If you’re going to do it, you’d better have a lot of financial backing, otherwise you’d better have a heck of a lot of talent.


At least you have no regrets.

Absolutely. It was expensive, but it was also eye-opening in other ways. It made me appreciate how hard it is for even the most talented players to make it at that level. I had beaten Jeff Morrison and I was competing against some really good players, but I couldn’t get there. That’s how competitive it is. But I’m thankful. If it wasn’t for my parents adopting me, I probably never would have had the opportunity to try in the first place.


Did you ever think about giving the circuit one more try?

My plan was to earn money by teaching, and then go back out on the circuit. Well, the problem with that plan was that I didn’t have a car [laughs]. Dad took me out and together we found a 2000 Chevy Cavalier. It had high mileage, the air-conditioning didn’t work, and it had roll-down windows, so it wasn’t the best, but it got me from point A to point B. From there I was able to start working at Bellefonte Country Club in Ashland, Kentucky. That’s where I met Todd Wise. He helped me get started with my teaching gig and from there I was on my own. I picked up a few lessons, and suddenly I’m like, “All right, I’m making some money!” Dad was like, “Okay, but know you’ve got to pay for your own gas.” At that point I realized I needed to focus on my teaching career [laughs].


I’d say it worked about pretty good. You’re a natural teacher.

When I was sixteen, my dad told me that tennis was a sport I could play and enjoy my whole life. As a tennis instructor, there’s really no limit to your earning potential, but there’s more to it than that. You can be a role model and a mentor. It’s really cool when you see young kids who are struggling, and you are able to step into their lives and help pick them up. It’s about helping someone, no matter what the skill level. If you approach it the right way they will look up to you, and the lessons that you share will stay with them forever. Making a difference in someone’s life is what I love to do.

Patrick Walker Photo-Op at Charleston Tennis Club

Let’s talk Public Courts. When did you first hear about it?

Actually, it was James Kent who came up to me and said, “Man, you gotta play Public Courts. It’s really cool. There’s nothing like the Charleston tennis community. When you win, there is a banquet, and you get your name in the paper. It’s a big deal.” So I told him I’d check it out. James had won seven Public Courts titles before I started playing in the tournament.


Take me back to your first Public Courts.

My first appearance in Public Courts was 2006. I played John Prokity in the quarters, and at the time I didn’t realize how many Public Courts championships he had won. I beat him and he says, “Good luck with James, you guys will be one hell of a match. Everyone in Charleston is going to come watch.” Well, I rolled through the semis, beating a kid from the University of Charleston two-and-two, and then I get to James. He was the defending champion, and he was playing some phenomenal tennis. His game was so smooth and clean. His serve was a big. His returns were unbelievable…ridiculous. The first set was a tight battle in the heat, but I won it, 6-4. I caught fire in the second set and beat him, 6-1. I remember shaking hands at the net and him saying, “Welcome to Public Courts.”


And your first Public Courts banquet?

I took my mom. This was the era of my Ben Wallace hairdo, the giant Afro. Ben was a great NBA player who rocked that look, and that was behind my inspiration. I wanted to bring basketball to the tennis court. It was my absolute favorite look. It was awesome.

Patrick Walker, sporting his Ben Wallace Afro, shares a moment with his close friend, Matt Hughes

Did you ever cross paths with Kevin Ball in the tournament?

One year I ended up playing Kevin Ball in the semis. I wore an all-white outfit and beat him 6-3, 6-4. I finally got my revenge [laughs].


You’ve had many memorable battles with James Kent. Any that stand out?

There are so many moments, it’s hard to pick one. One year I’m playing James, and he is battling a case of the yips. We’re talking about a guy who cranks out 130 mile-per-hour serves, and then, all of a sudden, nothing. I remember waiting to return, and his serve hits the service line before it ever gets to the net. I’m thinking that maybe there’s something in his eyes, but then he does it again. And I’m like, “What in the world is going on?” Later on I learned that he wasn’t used to someone beating the ball back to him like I was, and he sort of lost confidence in his serve. I mean, this guy had one of the biggest serves in Charleston, but it got to the point where he had to serve underhand to get the ball into the service box on the other side of the net. It’s one of those wacky memories for sure.


The James Kent / Patrick Walker rivalry has blossomed into a great friendship.

We stay in touch all of the time. We are great friends. I tell kids today that you can have a great rivalry, but you can still be friends off the court. To use a basketball analogy, it’s like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Both wanted to win, and both tried their very best to beat the other’s brains out, and in the process that competition brought out the best in both of them. That’s how it has been with me and James. And just like with Larry and Magic, our friendship goes far beyond the tennis court. We will always be friends.


What has been your most disappointing result at Public Courts?

In 2008, when I lost to Adam White. That was the first time I had ever cramped before. It was so hot. The cramping started with my forearm, then my calf cramped, and then both hips and both arms. I couldn’t move. I went home, pounded some pickle juice, and promised myself that would never happen again. Then I came back in 2009 and won four in a row.

Another disappointment was when James broke the all-time record the in 2013. That was a rough one. I don’t know where my backhand went. I had a forehand and a serve. That was it. It was weird – it was like my backhand had completely deserted me. James won 7-5 in the third set and broke Ball’s record.


Most surreal moment at Public Courts?

In 2014, when Ryan Massinople beat James in the semifinals after James was up 5-2, 40-15 in the second set. Ryan came back and shocked everyone by winning in the third set. I beat Chris Pratt in the semifinals that year, and then beat Ryan in the finals. That’s when I started to feel old, because I’d taught Ryan when he was younger.


The James Kent / Patrick Walker rivalry has come to define the Public Courts tournament.

We’ve had an amazing run. From 2005 to 2019, James and I have won all of the titles except for one, so we’ve pretty much had it locked up. This year I wasn’t sure if I would be able to play Public Courts. Thankfully my boss let me come back to Charleston to play, and I was able to beat James and tie him with ten titles.


You have a beautiful wife, Mary Carol Liberatore Walker – or, as we all know her, MC.

When I met MC, I didn’t know where it was going. We played Public Courts and we kind of hung out, we even went out to dinner a couple of times. I remember her calling me and saying, “Hey, I’m going to play singles, can you hit?” So we hit, and I asked her if she’d ever considered changing her forehand grip. She looked at me and said, “Are you crazy? I’ve got a match coming up.” Then she thought about it and said, “What would you change it to?” I said I would change it to a Semi-Western grip. We started getting together and hitting more often after that. From there we started hanging out afterwards, and before long we started seeing each other. I felt like I had a real chance after I’d survived the forehand grip debate [laughs].

Patrick Walker and his better half, Mary Carol Liberatore Walker

Like James Kent, you now have a daughter in your life.

MC is a natural mother and is doing great with it, but in some ways I was more ready for parenthood than she was. It started with my little brother, Jordan. We adopted him when he was two and I was fifteen. I learned how to wipe a butt, I learned how to change a diaper, and I learned how to entertain a human being younger than the age of three [laughs]. He was my little Mini-Me. As he got a little older, he pretty much went with me everywhere that I went. We did everything together. We played miniature golf three days a week, we went to the driving range twice a week, we went bowling, we played basketball, we jumped on the trampoline. So I helped raise Jordan, which gave me experience for what I’m doing today raising Vivienne.


You’re now the head pro at Windmill Harbour’s South Carolina Yacht Club. What’s the move been like for you?

I was excited to move to Hilton Head. I am the head pro at Windmill Harbour. I am also the head of the junior tennis camp. I have a new clinic, which is called Patrick’s Power Zone. I’ve never moved this far away before, but I have always been independent and I’ve always been able to fight through adversity and learn how to survive. Now that I have a family, it’s all about the challenge of getting settled in down here. MC is teaching. Vivienne is three, and she doesn’t really have a set group of friends yet. So things have worked about pretty well so far. I’m excited about the opportunity, because I want to give Vivienne the life that she deserves.


Final Thought: You are missed in Charleston.

Huntington and Charleston will always be home. I have so many friends and family back there, and a lot of them are either already visiting us or planning visits to Hilton Head in the near future. And we’ll always be back. Hopefully James and I can renew our rivalry next summer. We’re both getting older, and we’ve each got a lot going on. I just hope we both can play in 2020, and we both make it back to the finals. It would be the best way to break the tie. By the way, as much as it hurt losing to James, I am happy for him and what he has achieved. Me as a competitive person, I was obviously disappointed whenever I was the one he beat [laughs].

EPILOGUE

Mark Cassis on Patrick Walker
Pat has been a role model, coach, and friend to me over the past 10+ years. I’ve been fortunate enough to not only be a student of his, but also an opponent on the opposite side of the net – which usually was not so fortunate for me.  There’s no denying how incredible Pat is as a tennis player, but it’s who he is as a person that makes him all the more impressive.  Both on and off the court you can see that Pat loves life and what he does.  He has a positive attitude about everything and that energy rubs off on everyone around him.  He’s done so much for the tennis community in Charleston, especially the youth, and I know he’ll have the same impact anywhere he goes.


Ryan Massinople on Patrick Walker
Pat was what took my tennis game to the next level. I was always a competitive junior player in the area, but it was training with and being coached by Pat that elevated my game to be able to play Division 1 tennis. As we began to train together daily by my senior year in high school, I became much closer with Pat. I saw him not just as a coach and training partner, but as an incredible friend.

Pat has been and always will be one of the most influential people in my life. He never let the circumstances surrounding him sway his passion or positivity for tennis and life in general. Once we stepped on the court and started playing, it was as if nothing else mattered. He was there to help me get better in any way he could.

Patrick Walker and Ryan Massinople: Rivals for a day, friends for life

After sharing many highs and lows throughout my tennis career with Pat, I think my favorite one probably would have to be the year I played in Public Courts. When I was playing James Kent in the semifinals, Pat was playing on the court beside me. I remember not playing very well at one point and looking over at Pat, where he was standing a few feet from me in between a point. I remember all he said was, “Just loosen up bro, you look like you’re not having any fun out here! Look at this crowd, have some fun man!” It was advice like this that I always received from Pat, which helped much more than advice about point structure or match specific tactics. Pat always reminded me to relax and enjoy the moment. Looking back, I couldn’t be more thankful for this and all of his advice along the way.

I am so lucky to have had Pat in Charleston when I was playing junior tennis. He is much more than my former coach, he is and always will be one of my greatest friends.


Marshall Dagostine on Patrick Walker
I have been fortunate enough to have Pat as a coach for most of my tennis career and I would not have become the player or person I am today without Patrick Walker and his family. Pat worked with me and was able to help me develop the skills needed on and off the court to pursue my dream of going to IMG Academy. Then, after coming back home to West Virginia, Pat helped me further develop my skills to achieve my dream of being a Division 1 tennis player at Clemson University. Pat even came down to see me at Clemson while I was playing there. He instilled discipline, hard work, but ALWAYS having fun. Pat was able to make things enjoyable for me when times got really hard. He was always pushing me to be better on and off the court. I am so thankful for everything he was able to teach me through the years and Pat, MC, Viv, and I now have a friendship that will last a lifetime. It is impossible to look back at all of the time we spent together and not smile. I miss them very much in West Virginia, but at the same time, I am so happy that they are able to spread their tennis and life knowledge to more people. Patrick is truly an amazing person and tennis coach, but more importantly, he is my brother forever.


George Bsharah on Patrick Walker
Patrick played a large role in the growth and success that we had at The Charleston Tennis Club during my tenure there. Pat not only grew as a teaching pro, but I enjoyed watching him grow into the family man and father he has become. Not only is he a special teacher and player, but he has become a special friend.


Scott Zent on Patrick Walker
I remember the first time I heard the sound of the ball being struck by one of Patrick’s forehands. It was different – heavy, powerful – the ball seemed to explode off his racquet. I’ve also enjoyed watching Patrick and James play at Public Courts through the years, because Patrick Walker and James Kent are two of the best tennis players to play in Charleston. I’m glad I can call both of these guys my friends!


Tim and Mona Dagostine on Patrick Walker
Pat is truly a special person and someone who means so much to our family. He has devoted an incredible amount of time on and off the court to assist in the development of our son, Marshall, both as a tennis player and a person. Pat took a good player and created someone who could compete at a high level. He developed skills that lead our son to train at the IMG Academy for 2 years. When Marshall came home to Charleston, Pat continued to help him develop as a person and a player, training him daily, traveling with him to tournaments, and being the mentor every parent prays their children will have. Pat’s role as our son’s coach enabled him to sign to play Division I tennis at Clemson University.

Former George Washington standout Marshall Dagostine would go on to become a four-star recruit, attend the IMG Academy, and play Division I college tennis for Clemson University. The Dagostines credit Patrick Walker for helping lay the foundation for the player their son has become.

A coach’s relationship with a player and his family is unique, it brings that person inside the family and makes them a critical part of all that happens. You have so many good and tough situations to deal with and work through, but we could not have asked for better person than Pat to play that role. He is truly part of our family, and now so is MC and Vivienne. We are so very grateful for all that he has done. We have a bond that will always remain. We know that they will have great success in their new roles, and he will continue to impact people’s lives in an incredible way, just like he has here in West Virginia. We wish Pat, MC and Vivienne the best and give them all our love. – Tim and Mona Dagostine


Written By: Michael D. McClellan | Patrick Creery is a pro’s pro, which is to say that he’s the kind of actor who commands respect simply by the way he goes about his business, unwavering in his reverence for his craft and those in its orbit, his passion to perform trumped only by his desire to do the right thing. How would you respond if you had a sure thing in one hand, only to have Jason Priestley, he of Beverly Hills, 90210 fame, offer you a key role alongside Amy Acker and David Haydn-Jones in a prime time TV movie? Would you dump the lesser background work without giving it a second thought? Or would you do everything in your power to keep from burning a bridge? Spoiler alert: Doing anything less than the right thing isn’t in Creery’s DNA. It’s how this rank-and-file actor has forged a successful acting career in a maddeningly fickle profession.

“Acting is a relationship business,” says the Canadian-born Creery, who currently resides in Toronto. “You have to develop trust with the people you work with – producers, directors, other actors – because there are only so many jobs to go around.”

Like many journeyman actors, Creery has built his career brick-by-brick, pouring the foundation in theatre and framing it up with film. He’s taken on roles big and small, and he’s expanded his reach with social media, using it to promote his cleverly written and superbly acted pilot, The Parent Council.

“I was the producer, co-writer and lead,” Creery says, “so this project really stretched me in a lot of different ways. It also gave me a chance to explore traditional parental roles and what happens when those roles are reversed. Trust me, there was a lot of comedy to mine out of those situations.”

Meet the Council!
From left to right: Charles Andrew Payne (Malik Samuels), Filson Filsan Dualeh (Jen), Patrick Creery (Connor McPherson), Lydia Lau (Leticia), Roberta Mauer Phillips (Ruth) and Stacy Da Silva (Kate Williams)

In The Parent Council, Creery plays Connor McPherson, a stay-at-home dad who decides to join his daughter’s elementary school Parent Council. When he gets there, he finds a diverse group of people (and personalities) who are all passionate about doing what they can for their kids and for the school –but who have very different ideas about what’s best for all. Hardly a group that would hang together socially, they connect because they all share something in common: Being parents and loving their kids. Creery’s character, as it turns out, brings a little extra to the table.

“As a stay-at-home dad, Connor is getting more-and-more lonely,” Creery explains. “His wife is a superstar at the brokerage where she works, so as a result she is home less-and-less, and he’s starting to feel isolated. He’s a fish out of water when he gets to that first Parent Council meeting. He bumbles his way through it, because, after staying how with his child for three years, he’s still trying to figure out how to reconnect with adults and operate on an adult level.”

In Dear Santa, Creery plays Pete Kennedy, the flamboyant soup kitchen chef who befriends Crystal Carruthers, played by Acker. A modern fairytale with a Christmas theme, Dear Santa originally appeared on Lifetime before landing on Netflix. It remains in heavy rotation on Hallmark Channel during the holiday season.

Patrick Creery and Amy Acker share screen time in the 2011 Lifetime movie, Dear Santa

“It’s a fun movie for me to go back and watch,” Creery says. “That’s the beauty of film. With theatre, you have the energy of performing in front of a live audience for three weeks, and then it goes away. I enjoy them both, but I prefer film because of its lasting power.”

These days, Creery has embraced the power of social media platforms such as YouTube and Vimeo. He digs the egalitarianism that comes with producing content with nothing more than a smartphone and a tripod. It’s a liberating step that opens the door for artists who previously had only the traditional avenues available – community theatre, perhaps, or the rough road leading to film and television. Now, content is produced much more freely, and it’s up to the viewer to decide the success of each upload. Creery’s success with The Parent Council is directly tied to an online program called STORYHIVE, in which viewers vote on the best content, and filmmakers are rewarded with funding, distribution and support from TELUS. It’s a door that wasn’t available just a few short years ago, and for creatives like Creery, it’s a match made in heaven.

“STORYHIVE is a great platform for artists like myself,” he says with a smile. “Whether you’re an actor, director, or producer, we’re living in a Golden Age of Filmmaking.”

What led you into acting?

I grew up in Calgary, which is located in the Canadian province of Alberta. I was the class clown in secondary school, the kid who enjoyed entertaining his classmates and who was happiest just goofing around. Drama and math were the two main extracurricular activities at school, and you would think that I’d be naturally attracted to the stage, but back then I was a math guy. I never really did anything drama-related until I ended up at Queens University in Kingston, Ontario. At the time I was doing poorly in physics, and as luck would have it, I happened to take a drama elective that semester and really enjoyed the experience. Four years later I ended up with a degree in drama.

I went back to Calgary and I applied to law school, because that’s what I wanted to do when I was a kid. My LSAT score was good, but my university grades weren’t strong enough to get in, so I took a year off and lived in Banff, Ontario. It was during this time that I decided to give acting a go. Funnily enough, I bounced between Vancouver, which is a film-focused town where I did theatre, and Calgary, which I thought had better theatre opportunities, but I ended up doing more work in film and television instead. Go figure. And around the ’98 timeframe, I spent a year in England at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, which is otherwise known as LAMDA. I did a one-year post-graduate in classical theatre there.

Patrick Creery
A Christmas Carol – 2003 – Citadel Theatre, Edmonton

Did you immerse yourself in British culture?

It was a fantastic year. Culture-wise I enjoyed the experience, but not overly so. When you’re a student and you’re do a program like that, you’re so focused on “the program.” But I did get to see my fair share of shows. I got to see Alan Rickman and Helen Mirren do a production of Antony and Cleopatra at the National Theatre. I got to see Kathleen Turner in a production of The Graduate. So, even though those things weren’t a part of my formal theatre education, they were still very instrumental in terms of leading me into acting.


Which do you prefer, theater or film acting?

I like them both, and they are complimentary in some respects. If you have a theater background, you learn how to work at developing a character in chronological order. You can then translate those skills over to film, where you are filming out of sequence. There’s also a great, immediate response from the audience when you do theater, and you can feel the energy. I felt it when I did a show at Theatre Calgary right before we moved to Toronto. It was called The Audience, and I played Prime Minister David Cameron, opposite Seana McKenna, who is an amazing human being, performer, and actor. In fact, she was recently named to the Order of Canada. Working with her was an absolute career highlight for me.

What I like about film and television acting is that that stuff is around forever. You don’t have the immediate response that you get with a theatre audience, but you do have something that you can look back on and watch whenever you want.


You play the character Pete Kennedy, a flamboyant soup kitchen chef, in the 2011 Jason Priestley romantic drama, Dear Santa.

I have good memories of that film and that time in my life. My daughter Zoë was just about to turn one when I did Dear Santa. Funnily enough, when I first auditioned they wanted me to audition for the part of a radio announcer, which was only one line. My agent called to let me know that they had cut that part, but that they wanted me to come back and read for the supporting lead role. And I was like, “Okay!” That’s kind of how it works in Calgary. They will audition a lot of the locals when films like that are being shot, and I was one of the locals who auditioned a fair bit.

Dear Santa
From left to right: David Haydn-Jones (Derek Gowen), Patrick Creery (Pete Kennedy), Emma Duke (Olivia Gowen) and Amy Acker (Crystal Carruthers)

Tell me about your audition for Dear Santa.

I went in and I did the first scene for Jackie Lind, who was the casting director. She stopped me midway through the reading and said, “I don’t even need to see the next scene, just come back in tomorrow for the director and producer.” So, I went in to audition for Jason Priestley, who directed that movie, and he was great. I did the first scene again and he said, “Yeah, it’s really good.” I did the second scene, and he smiled and said, “Yeah, that’s really good too.” And that was it, so I left. The next day my agent called me and said, “Congratulations, you booked it.” And I said, “Booked what?” She said, “Dear Santa. Jason Priestley really liked you. You got that part.”

In Calgary, if you’re trying to make it as an actor, then you’re doing anything that you can, which means that you’re frequently auditioning for more than one job at a time. As it turns out, I had also submitted myself to do background work on another project, so my short reaction was, “I’ve got to call you back, because I’ve got to call the background casting director and let him know that I can’t do that project anymore.” Don’t get me wrong. I was ecstatic to get the part and to be part of a cast that included amazing actors like Amy Acker and David Haydn-Jones, but in that moment my first thought was about being a professional. That was my big concern, because I didn’t want to burn a bridge.


Please tell me about your co-stars in the movie. Let’s start with Amy Acker.

Amy is a great actor, beautiful, and so talented. She’s done both film and television, and has acted in a wide variety of roles. She was a villain opposite Jennifer Garner in Alias during its final season, had a main role in Happy Town, which I thought was outstanding, and has appeared in everything from Supernatural to The Good Wife.

We had a great time on the set of Dear Santa, a lot of laughs. It was a lot of fun to do. My character works in David Haydn-Jones’s soup kitchen, and he wears a pink chef’s outfit. Amy plays Crystal Carruthers, a frivolous thirty-year-old woman drifting through life in New York City and shopping with her wealthy parents’ money – until they threaten to cut her off if she doesn’t get her act together by Christmas. Funnily enough, fate intervenes when Crystal discovers a letter written to Santa Claus from a seven-year-old girl, Olivia – played brilliantly by Emma Duke, I might add – asking him to send her widowed father a new wife for Christmas. Inspired by the young girl’s letter, Crystal tracks them down and vows to win over father and daughter. She ends up working in the soup kitchen with me, and we both have dreamy crushes on David’s character, Derek Gowen [laughs].

Amy Acker and Patrick Creery in the 2011 Lifetime movie, Dear Santa

David Haydn-Jones has been in a lot of stuff.

David continues to have a great acting career. His focus has been primarily on TV, and he’s been on shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Charmed, Judging Amy, NCIS, and Supernatural. He was great to work with as well. In fact, the whole Dear Santa experience was a blast, and it sort of led me in another direction as an actor. Zoë was one at the time, my second daughter was sort of in the works as it were, and I thought if I wanted to pursue acting that I needed to get a little more serious about it. That’s when I sat down and talked to Jason Priestley. He’d been such a big star on Beverly Hills, 90210. He suggested that I move to Toronto because he thought it would be a good center to be based out of, so that’s how we ended up here in Toronto.


Let’s talk about your smart and witty series pilot, The Parent Council. You play Connor McPherson, a stay-at-home dad who decides to join his daughter’s elementary school parent council. Where did the idea come from?

I do some standup comedy, and part of the standup that I do is that my wife is very much a guy’s guy. Like, she used to work on cars, she buys season tickets to the hockey games, she likes to work with tools…and I’m a flight attendant who cooks [laughs]. So, a lot of my standup is based on the fact that we seem to have some of the stereotypical roles reversed in our household. She has been making more money than me, and I’ve been trying to take care of the house more, so I just kind of magnified those roles for The Parent Council. Since she’s a super strong woman, and she gets along well with the guys, I thought, “What if the female lead in the show was a high-powered woman who decides that I would stay home and look after the kids. What would that be like?”

Patrick Creery

And paternity leave isn’t that uncommon in Canada.

In Canada, you can take up to 18 months off. The government will subsidize a year of that leave. My wife went back to work early, and was kind enough to let me take the second six months off with Zoë, so I was busy taking care of the house. It was awesome, but it was also very isolating. When you only have a six month old to talk to, and then you are trying to hang out with some other moms, and you need to have adult conversations…it can play tricks on your mind [laughs]. And then there’s also a thing in my world where you have to consider what it means to be a middle-aged white guy [laughs]. In today’s world, with middle-aged white guy guilt about a lot of stuff that other middle-aged white guys have done in generations before, so you find yourself thinking about how you interact with people. All of this played into the idea for The Parent Council.


Let’s talk about your co-writer and co-star, Charles Andrew Payne.

Charles Andrew Payne plays Malik Samuels in the show. He’s just a brilliant actor, and I was incredibly fortunate to have him come aboard, both in front of the camera and also in helping to develop the script. From the beginning I said that I wanted to have a diverse cast, and he hates that word. He said, “The word you should be using is representative.” And I thought, “You know what, you are absolutely right.” Because that is actually what I wanted – a representation of what my world looks like, and beyond that, answers to questions like, “How do you interact with those people?” I wanted to explore whether or not my thinking is motivated by how I feel about their background, or by them just being dicks. Am I being a racist, or is that person just being a jerk? So, I thought there was some really good comedy to mine in that subject matter. At the same time, I also wanted it to be representative that we all have one thing in common, which is our kids, and our love for our kids. All of our decisions are usually based out of the place of wanting to do the best for our kids. So, how does that manifest itself in people who may not be doing exactly what they want to be doing in the rest of their lives, but in this little fiefdom of a Parent Council, they try and control as much as they can. That’s sort of where the genesis of that idea came from.


How were you able to put together a pilot on your own dime?

TELUS sponsored us through a program called STORYHIVE, which has funded productions, supported filmmakers, and brought hundreds of films to life online and around the world. They get people from Alberta, Canada and British Columbia to submit a pitch video. There is a voting period where viewers watch the streams and choose their favorites. With ours, we were successful and received $5,000 toward producing the pilot for the web series. I, along with Naddine Madell, who was my producing partner and the director on The Parent Council, put in $5,000 each of our own money, and that is how we were able to fund this pilot. We were trying to pitch it and sell it, but it’s gone on the back burner a bit because of my move from Calgary to Toronto. Now that my family is settled a bit more, we’re going to revisit The Parent Council and see if we want to redevelop it.


Anyone visiting your IMDb page will quickly learn that you wear multiple hats – writer, actor, director, producer.

Acting is my first love and passion, and it’s where I focus a lot of my time, but unless you’re producing or creating your own work, you’re very much at the mercy of the phone. There are people who can make a living as an actor because they are gifted, talented people, and they have really worked hard at it. I am a journeyman actor who is still trying to develop his craft, so part of the reason we moved to Toronto was that there’s more opportunity here. The Parent Council back in Alberta was directly related to me trying to create work, so that I could do my own work and try and stretch. If someone’s not calling you and offering you work, at a certain point you have got to do your thing.

Producing is always about solving problems, because no matter how much you plan something out, problems will come up. I don’t like a lot of problems, and I don’t want to solve a lot of problems, so it’s a bit of a challenge for me to step into that role. A lot of professional development books share a variation of the same theme, and that is if you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room. As a producer, I try to surround myself with people who have more expertise than I do, or better skillsets in the areas where I am lacking, so that they can share the load.

Patrick Creery
Best Left Buried – 2003 – TheatreOne, Nanaimo

Was that the case in The Parent Council?

Very much so. In The Parent Council, I brought Charles in to co-write with me. I had a basic story, but I thought it would be great to work with him, and he brought some great laughs to the table. And right before we went into production I realized that it was too much for me to be the producer, the production manager, the writer, and also the lead. So I called my friend Jillian and said that I need you to come and be the production manager for a few days. She showed up and made sure that everything ran smoothly, so that I could focus on doing the acting and trying to do the best I could for that.


Who are some of the actors that you admire?

Stanley Tucci is a great example of a great actor who created his own work. Big Night is one of my favorite films and he wrote that, and he acted in it as well. I have always been a big fan of Tom Hanks. And then you go to the other end of the spectrum and you’ve got people like Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins, you know, guys with big theater backgrounds. Daniel Craig has done a lot of theater as well.


How important is it to be prepared?

The job is finding the job. As an actor, you are constantly working on your craft. And being specific about what you want to do is important. For example, my focus right now is on comedy. I’m narrowing the focus down, so The Parent Council is sort of where I want to be going at this point in my career. A sitcom, or romantic comedy movie, those things are where I feel comfortable and where I want to contribute to the world, because I want people to laugh.


It’s a tough business. All actors face rejection.

I think Bryan Cranston had a great of comment on rejection. He’s like, “Go and audition. If you audition, that is a chance for you to act for two minutes, and any chance that you can get to do your work is an opportunity that you should be grateful for.”


How important are agents in the acting business?

Very important. And it’s not easy to get a good agent. Bruce Ward is the agent who I really wanted to be with when I first got to Vancouver, and it took me five years to get on with him. That was me persistently keeping in touch with him, inviting him to everything that I did. It didn’t matter if it were plays or community theatre. When I moved to Toronto I joined ACTRA, which is a film and television union in Canada that is similar to SAG. As a member, I used those connections to talk about who the agents were in Toronto…who the good ones were, and who to stay away from. I also used IMDb Pro to research all of the agencies that had been referred to me. Then I went through the agency rosters looking for actors that I knew, and I would reach out to them and say, “I want to apply to this agency, can you have a look at my demo and my headshot, and if you are comfortable referring me to your agent, can you do that to get me off of the pile?” That helps, because these agents get so many demos and resumes that you’ve got to figure out how to get noticed. And then you have to interview with them, and you both have to feel comfortable with each other before you enter into that actor/agent relationship.


The Meryl Streeps of the acting world are few and far between. As an actor, how important is it to be both realistic and self-aware when it comes to your acting talent?

That’s really one of the first things that aspiring actors need to come to terms with, but also one of the hardest. You see this all the time with actors who first come out of university. They think they can do everything. It is great that they feel that way, but the reality is that that’s not true. A good agent can help in that regard, because a good agent is going to tell you the truth. You need that outside voice to tell you where you fit, so that you can know what your wheelhouse is and then play to that. Then, once you’ve established yourself and you start getting more parts, you can start leveraging that to try other projects. So, being typecast is not actually a bad thing, because it gets you work, which builds momentum, which opens doors and allows you to try other things. Robin Williams is known for comedy, but then he also did Insomnia.

Patrick Creery

Does networking help open doors?

It’s absolutely important – it’s a people business, right? There are two examples that come to mind – one is Judd Apatow, who is been working with the same people since Freaks and Geeks. Why? Because he likes these people, he knows they’re good, and he knows they are all going to get along. The other is Ian Prinsloo was the Artistic Director of Theatre Calgary a number of years ago when I went and did a workshop with him. He said, “I have a million-dollar budget in my theater company, and if I don’t know you I’m not going to risk my budget. So get to know me, because if it’s between you and someone that I’ve worked with in the past and have a trust with, then I’m going to spend two-and-a-half weeks in a room with somebody that I already know and who I know will deliver.” That really stuck with me. It’s your job to get to know people.


Last Question: If you had one piece of advice for other aspiring actors, what would that be?

Do it. If you’re talking about wanting to do a film, then go film stuff. If you want to do comedy, then go do comedy. There are literally no more barriers to getting your stuff out there anymore. Gary Vaynerchuk is someone that I listen to a lot, and is a prime example of someone who has taken it upon himself to create content. There are no excuses. If you are making an excuse that you cannot do something, then you don’t really want to do it. It’s like someone saying, “I don’t have the money to buy the gear.” If you know someone who has an iPhone, you can make incredible quality stuff. You can get a library card and access Lynda.com through the library and learn how to do all these things, and it costs you nothing. The whole 10,000 hour concept is a real thing, so you can’t get discouraged. Some of what you do is going to be awful. Some of it is going to be great. I know standup comedian in Calgary, and he’s put out to albums. Is he the best comedian ever? No, but he’s got two more albums out and I got, and for that he has my absolute respect.

Written By: Michael D. McClellan | Ben Gleib is running for president. Seriously. The stand-up comic who scored his own Showtime special, Ben Gleib: Neurotic Gangster, has announced his very serious intentions to seek the 2020 Democratic nomination for President of the United States. The celebrity candidate may be best known for hosting Idiotest on Game Show Network, throwing back drinks with Hoda Kotb and former host Kathie Lee Gifford on the fourth hour of Today or, if you’re a fan from way back, serving as a regular panelist on Chelsea Lately. But Ben Gleib is all business when it comes to his run for the country’s top office.

“I’m running because the nation I grew up loving is in jeopardy,” Gleib says, without even a hint of a punchline forthcoming. “The values that we stand for are now being challenged. I’m driven by my desire to see the people I perform for have easier lives.”

Beginning in August 2014, Gleib hosted four seasons of Idiotest on the Game Show Network

Recognized by TBS as one of the “funniest comedians working today,” Gleib possesses the indefatigable quality of a presidential candidate. He has toured sold-out arenas all over North America with both Chelsea Handler and Dane Cook, headlined comedy clubs around the globe since 2007, and performed on an array of television shows including The Late Late Show, The Arsenio Hall Show, Last Comic Standing, and Last Call with Carson Daly. He’s a regular political contributor for The Huffington Post. An accomplished voice-over actor, Gleib has starred in Kevin Smith’s Jay and Silent Bob’s Super Groovy Cartoon Movie, provided the voice of Marshall the Sloth in Ice Age: Continental Drift, and voiced Dali in The Book of Life starring Channing Tatum. His wildly popular podcast, Last Week on Earth with Ben Gleib, includes a steady stream of celebrity guests like Bryan Cranston, Meghan McCain, Bob Odenkirk, Sam Donaldson, Moby, Blake Griffin, Adam Devine, General Wesley Clark, political pundits, standup comedians, and…wait for it…his parents.

“They are always there for me, even when I run out of guests.”

Ben Gleib performs during his Showtime special, Ben Gleib: Neurotic Gangster

On the radio, Gleib is a regular on the hugely popular shows The Bob and Tom Show, Kevin and Bean, The Jason Ellis Show and Sirius XM’s You Up? With Nikki Glaser. He’s been guest co-anchor for ABC News Digital, a frequent on-air contributor on CNN, and an NPR Golden Mic Award-winner for his work on Patt Morrison’s Comedy Congress. With such a dizzying schedule, how does this comedian/actor/ commentator/podcaster/game show host spend his spare time?

Try producing and co-hosting The Telethon for America, announcing his presidential bid, and campaigning nonstop on massive amounts of caffeine.

“People frequently ask me for the one thing I wish someone had told me before I decided to run for office,” Gleib says. “The answer is simple: How little sleep I get. I’m already someone who stays up very late and works long hours, but this is a non-stop, around-the-clock mission, often requiring 18–22 hour work days. Luckily, I love it, and operate well on no sleep.”

Fortunately for the rest of us, Gleib was able to slow down – and stay awake – long enough for this interview.

You’re running for president. Of the United States. Is this real, or an elaborate hoax?

The first question people ask me is, “Are you for real?” People think that this must be a publicity stunt because I’m a comedian. Nothing could be further from the truth. When you hear me talk for two minutes, it’s very clear how serious I am about this.


Are we ready for a comedian in the White House?

I think people misremember the impact that comedy has on our national discourse. People need to remind themselves of the fact that we turn to comedians these days more than we turn to news anchors for our news. Why? Because we trust them more. So we should start doing the exact same thing with our politicians. Our leaders are known for lying, and being self-interested only. Comedians are known for keeping it real, and calling out hypocrisy. That’s what we need now more than ever. And that’s what I will bring to our government, and what I will bring to the White House.

Presidential Candidate Ben Gleib

What’s behind your decision to go from the Hollywood Improv stage to the podium?

Two things: First, watching our democracy get eroded daily by forces that don’t want ordinary people to have a voice. These forces want to tilt the balance of power and money increasingly in favor of the ultra-rich. The second is Donald Trump. I feel he’s an existential crisis in our country, and we have to do all that we can to stop him. I’m not convinced that cautious, career politicians have the skills to do that. It did not work in 2016, and I don’t think our country can survive four more years of Donald Trump in the White House. So, I had the thought that a comedian might be exactly what we need to beat the greatest heckler in American political history. That’s what comedians do best, they take down hecklers.


How does “President Elect Ben Gleib” sound to you?

It sounds pretty good, man. To be able to represent this country that has given me so much, and that I love so much, would definitely be the most insane honor possible. It would be a beautiful moment, mostly because we would be putting our country back on the right track.


Let’s talk about the issues. Do you think we’ve reached the tipping point with the environment?  Is it too late to save the planet?

I don’t think it’s too late, but I do think it’s the most dire issue of our time. We literally have one Earth that we can live on. Everybody keeps saying that we’ve got to colonize Mars to save our species. I don’t know if you are aware of this fact, but we cannot breathe on Mars. No, we have to save our planet now.


The political right doesn’t seem to have the same sense of urgency.

The way I like to frame the discussion with conservatives is like this: One of your core principle beliefs is to be prudent. Your whole philosophy is based on protecting what we currently have, the most important being Earth. You have no place to live, or shoot your guns, or enjoy all of the freedoms that you enjoy if you don’t have clean air to breathe or clean water to drink. I challenge conservatives by asking them if they are tough enough to make some hard decisions. This is the fight of our lives. Let’s step up. We must move toward the principles of the Green New Deal, where we get off of fossil fuels as soon as humanly possible. We need to reduce our meat consumption, and we need to try our best to get rid of single use plastics.

Presidential Candidate Ben Gleib

What’s your take on climate change?

The United Nations climate report, and the consensus of planet scientists says that we have 12 years to reverse course. That window is going to disappear quickly if we keep denying it, and if we keep voting people into our government like Jim Inhofe, who brought a snowball to the Senate floor to disprove climate change. That kind of ignorance must be voted the hell out of office.


On your website, you talk about not letting the robots take over, and fighting to protect American jobs from the onslaught of automation.

I think it’s a scary prospect that we as a nation are not even discussing or debating whether to allow entire industries, let alone public-facing industries, to be run by robots. I personally value the human workforce. Aside from the novelty of having a burger made by a robot, which might be fun to have in one or two spots, to actually get rid of human beings being our servers, being our retail employees, being our truck drivers…I just don’t think it’s the right path to take. I’m not comfortable having a society where human work becomes obsolete. I think we should discuss whether we want that. If we don’t, under my administration we would give large tax incentives to companies that maintain a vast majority of their output being generated by human labor. And, in the instances where jobs do have to go to robots due to the large advances in productivity that they would bring, then we would make sure to let employees participate in that, so that they still have the dignity and the benefit of participating in the work produced by the robot that might take their job. And, when their job goes away, we make sure that it’s the highest priority to help them land on their feet and help them find another job, and not just let their job automate them away.


While we’re on the political front, take me back to the 2018 mid-term elections. Where did the idea for The Telethon for America come from?

I was disappointed in our tragically low voter turnout in this country. The only way we can express our voice in our democracy is by voting. We have to use our voice. I wanted to do my part to help turn that around, especially with all of the incredibly important midterm elections that we just had. So, I decided that my goal was to try to help our country create an historic voter turnout in those midterms.

The idea came to me about seven weeks before the elections, which was in incredibly tight window of time. It normally takes six months to a year to produce a TV show of that magnitude, and requires budgets far bigger than the almost nothing that we had to work with – in fact, we actually had nothing at the time, not a penny.

Ben Gleib and Olivia Munn co-host The Telethon for America

How were you able to pull together The Telethon for America with very little time and no money?

It was all about trying to get people on board, so I started making calls and talking about the importance of the first telethon ever conducted with the goal of raising zero dollars. My friend and media strategist Rick Sorkin agreed first. Then I pitched the idea to Hannah Linkenhoker, who is a Senior Political Strategist at ICM Partners, and her firm wanted to be a part of it. Then a friend connected me with Michelle Obama’s When We All Vote, and they partnered with us. From there we started making partnerships with other places like Comedy Central and Funny or Die. Ellen DeGeneres jumped in, and she ended up carrying it on her YouTube channel. Chelsea Handler – my old friend from Chelsea Lately – helped a great deal. I had texted her about the idea at the very beginning but didn’t hear back, and then, all of a sudden, she replied and was like, “Are you still planning on doing this telethon?” She was an enormous help.


You wore many hats for the telethon – creator executive producer, head writer, and co-host. Where did you get the chutzpah to take all of this on?

It goes back to a pilot for a talk show hosted by Kevin Smith. The guests were Seth Rogan, Arden Myrin, and myself. Kevin and I skipped the entire wrap party and shared a joint together, and he asked me to tell him my life story. I explained that I’d spent many years producing and writing my own shows, and I had been a panelist on other people shows, and he said to me, “Well, what are you doing being a panelist on my show? You are a production guy like me. You should be doing your own thing.” That’s the thought that helped me take the bull by the horns and do things like The Telethon for America and The Last Week on Earth.


You recruited a Who’s Who of A-List Hollywood actors to answer the phones.

A lot of that was Chelsea Handler. She helped us get some of our biggest names, like Charlize Theron, Jane Fonda, and Debra Messing. And then I got all of these different, amazing people that I know to participate, people like Judd Apatow, Amy Schumer, and Kevin Smith. In a bit of a coup, Olivia Munn co-hosted with me.

Actresses Amy Schumer left Jane Fonda and Charlize Theron participated in Ben Gleib’s The Telethon for America on November 5, 2018

That says a lot about the state of politics in this country.

I think it was such an important cause, and people care about this country so much, that we were able to get all of these amazing people to come and participate. Comedians, actors, movie stars…the response was overwhelming. We had almost one million people tune in and pledge to vote, and to form voting squads to exponentially increase the reach of those that this broadcast reached. The next day, to whatever part we played in that, America ended up having its best midterm voter turnout since 1914, and a record ever among youth. The Telethon for America is the thing that I’m most proud of doing in my entire life.


Last talk about Last Week on Earth with Ben Gleib.  Love the podcast.

Thank you. The idea for a weekly, topical news podcast came to me because I wanted to do a show that hooked people who never really cared about the news or politics. I wanted to make it funny, dirty, and edgy, and hopefully make it appealing to people who found traditional news boring or over their head. I mentioned it to [friend and comedian] Joe Rogan. He said, “Are you sure you want to do that, buddy? It’s going to be an enormous amount of work. This is one creative endeavor you can’t bank.” He was right. I took on an enormous amount of work, and I’ve been trying to do it as consistently as I can, sometimes successfully, and sometimes not, over the last eight years.


Did Last Week on Earth come together as quickly as The Telethon for America?

It was a gradual thing. Kevin invited me to be a guest on his own podcast, and then he asked me to co-host with him. Then he asked me if I wanted my own show on his network. I told him my idea for the show and he said, “Oh my God, The Last Week on Earth is a brilliant title. It’s more brilliant than Hollywood Babylon. You’ve got to do it. I’ll help you launch the show.” And he did. It debuted at the No. 9 spot in all of iTunes comedy. I’ve been off and running ever since.


Comedian/actor Wayne Federman has been a guest on your podcast. He’s a friend of mine, and was my second interview on FifteenMinutesWith.

I love Wayne. He’s one of the great people in this business. He made a hilarious cameo appearance in Judd Apatow’s video for the telethon. Wayne is one of the loveliest people in comedy, and such a heartfelt dude. He loves basketball. I used to organize a weekly basketball game for comedians, and Wayne always showed up in his Chuck Taylors, which hasn’t been used as a basketball shoes in about 300 years. But he still had a great jump shot that he was able to pull off. And little known fact – Wayne also loves to swim. He always shows up at my birthday party, and he’s one of the few who actually jumps in the pool.


Magic Johnson has also appeared on FifteenMinutesWith. Wayne tells me that you have a story?

Growing up in L.A., Magic Johnson was my hero. I met him when I was a young boy at an event and got a photo of him – that was a huge thrill. And then, many years later, I ended up getting to play basketball with Magic, which was one of the most insane moments of my life. It was at the Sports Club/LA, which is a luxury health club in Los Angeles, and he was there one morning in the gym named after him. I ended up waiting for three games, and then I got to go in and play against Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson! I’m not physically guarding him, but at one point I set a screen that he couldn’t get around, and my guy hit a three-pointer. That felt pretty good. And then, at another point, Magic got a rebound and tried to make a cross-court pass, but I reached out and got my hand on the ball. And then, on another play, Magic was the first one down court and I was the first one back on defense. I tried to stop him from driving into the hoop and he just knocked me on my butt [laughs].

After all of that came the most insane moment of my athletic life: Magic turned under the guy guarding him to make a move to the basket. I see Magic coming from down low, and I’m right under the basket. With all of my muster, I jumped as hard as I could and I blocked Magic’s shot so hard that the ball flew out of bounds! I couldn’t believe what had just happened – I felt on top of the world – and then Magic Johnson calls a foul. I said, “BS, that is not a foul, I got all ball!” So now I’m arguing with my sports hero over him calling a bullshit foul. I’m calling him out on it, telling him that that was a load of crap, and Magic just lets me go on and get it out of my system. Then he smiles and says, “Son, son, son, it was already a foul. Your guy fouled me, I called foul, you didn’t hear me, and you smacked my ball when I was just messing around. The play was dead.” We both had a big laugh over that.


Wayne says that you’ve met some of your other NBA heroes.

I ended up on an airplane seated next to Kareem. I left him alone for the whole flight, and when the flight landed I had a chance to say something to him. The movie Airplane is one of the great comedies, and Kareem of course played the co-pilot in the movie. I leaned over and said to him, “I’m pretty relieved to see that you weren’t flying the plane.” And without blinking, he says, “Brother, the only thing I fly on is the 405 [laughs].”

Another true story: I’m a basketball fan growing up, and Chris Webber is one of the all-time greats. I travel to New York for an appearance on the Today Show, and I’m staying at the same hotel as Charles Barkley and Chris Webber. They are both at the bar hanging out. I go up to Charles Barkley, and I tell him that he’s so funny on Inside the NBA that he should be a comedian. And looks at me without smiling, and he says, “I would never do that, I don’t want to work that hard.” His timing and delivery were perfect. I laughed for days.

I then go over to Chris Webber, and his eyes get wide. Hey says, “Oh my God, it’s the guy from Idiotest! I love you, man. Can I get a photo with you?” He’s one of my favorite basketball players, and he takes a photo and tweets it out to all of his followers, and then he asks for my number and tells me he’s going to keep in touch! For an NBA fan, that’s a pretty insane moment.


Speaking of Idiotest, what was the transition to game show host like?

I didn’t have to prepare for it too much. I’m a fan of TV, and I grew up on game shows. Plus, Game Show Network was very supportive of me being me. They kept saying, “Don’t cut your hair, don’t change who you are.” I got to improvise every episode. I got to be me, to be playful and make fun of people. The hardest part was just shooting all the episodes very rapidly and wrapping my head around learning all the tests every day.

Beginning in August 2014, Gleib hosted four seasons of Idiotest on the Game Show Network

Let’s go back to the beginning. How old were you when you knew you wanted to do comedy?

Ever since I was five or six years old I knew that I was going to grow up to become a comedian. I just felt some weird kinship with the comics that I would see on television, and I’ve always viewed the world in a skewed, weird, funny way.


Were you the class clown?

Not really. I would do sketches as a young kid, videos for my school projects, things like that. I really wanted to do school plays all the way through high school, but I had a severe speech problem – it was a stutter, but also combined with a dysfluency where I couldn’t make sounds come out of my vocal cords. Oftentimes I couldn’t even say hello to a friend passing me in the hallway, so that kind of ruled out school plays. But I had such a desire to communicate and entertain that I wasn’t going to let it derail my dream of being a comedian.


How did you get your start in comedy?

There was an opening for a radio show during my senior year of high school. I went to the station and auditioned, and I had some of my funny friends co-host with me. I figured radio would be good, because if I hit a block in my speech they could just jump in and fill the gap, and the home audience would not know that I was unable to speak at the moment. It worked out so well that the station offered me the show. I did that through the end of my senior year. The college I went to had a TV station, so I started doing it on camera.

Ben Gleib (No animals were harmed in the shooting of this photo)

Did you stutter on camera?

People were able to see me hit speech blocks and stutter on the air, so it was embarrassing, but I wanted to do it so badly that I was willing to deal with the humiliation just to get my comedy out to people. I slowly learned to conquer my speech problem, and the show ended up becoming such a big thing on campus that I started booking Hollywood guests. I ended up getting Carmen Electra my senior year. We had 3,000 students in the crowd, and the Marines brought me into my show on a tank. I was actually sponsored and paid money to do that, which still blows my mind to this day. It’s one of the great thrills of my life.


Tell me about the transition from college TV show to standup comedian.

It turned out that I graduated with the manager of one of my Hollywood guests, who became my manager as well. So right out of the gate I was represented by the manager of people like Tom Green, Jimmy Kimmel, and Adam Corolla. That was a big head start. From there I began pursuing the business of acting, hosting, and standup comedy.


Did you do improv?

I was actually doing improv before I got deep into standup. I got my start with an improv troupe at a place called the Empty Stage. Kristen Wiig was in that troupe with me. She was brilliant. It was so cool to be able to perform in the same troupe as her, and then later see what she became.


Why the switch from improv to standup?

I began pursuing standup because it seemed more suited to my skill set. I have a unique speaking voice, and I was able to use it without having to take suggestions from the audience. And I could speak my own mind. Standup was the right decision. After two-and-a-half years of standup I was asked to perform on the Late Late Show on CBS. From there, it just all kind of spiraled. I opened for Dane Cook on his arena tour, which meant we were performing in NBA and NHL arenas all over North America. I ended up being a regular panelist on Chelsea Handler’s show for seven years, and she frequently invited me to open for her in arenas and in enormous theaters. All of that from a boy who wasn’t able to talk in the hallways at school. That is something that I will always be proud of.


And then comes your Showtime comedy special, Ben Gleib – Neurotic Gangster.

A comedian’s first special is always an incredibly special thing, because it’s the culmination of your entire career up until that point, boiled down into one hour. Neurotic Gangster is now available on Amazon Prime, so people are still watching it. First Neurotic Gangster, and then getting my own game show, Idiotest. It’s just been amazing to see my dreams come true.

My best friend Jason thinks that I have some very unique ability to manifest my visions and make them come true almost exactly as I picture them. To whatever degree that is true, I hope that I am now able to do that with the country, because there’s nothing more that I love than this country. I want to help turn our country towards the future, and to reject some of the darkness that has been unleashed recently. If my comedy and my passion can help set us on a better course, then nothing would make me happier.


How did Neurotic Gangster come together?

By the time I was offered that Showtime special I already had about three hours of material. I needed to figure out how to cull that down into one hour. And, as often seems to be the case in my life and career, I don’t always get as much time to pull these things off as most people do. Normally a comic knows they have a special taping coming at least six months in advance, and they have plenty of time to prepare. I was given the opportunity and had just under three weeks to pull it together.

All of this was going on just as Idiotest premiered on the Game Show Network, and as Chelsea Lately ended. I had already planned a five-day Burning Man vacation to decompress from this great whirlwind phase of my life, and I decided to go even though the Showtime clock was ticking. When I returned to L.A., I ran the 80 minute set five times in four days. Then I went to the Lobero Theatre in Santa Barbara and did the shoot.


Did you film multiple shows?

No, I only had one shot to get it right. Normally, a comedian gets two attempts to record their hour. Luckily, I had the best set of my life, and that’s what you see on that show.


How did you decide on the material for Neurotic Gangster?

Your first special is usually a best-of from your career. I brought back some old jokes that I hadn’t done in a long time. Then, when the special actually came out a few months later, I decided that I was going to retire all of that material.


How come?

Because I want to be one of the greats. There are plenty comedians that tell the same jokes forever, but they don’t become the best comedians to ever live. If you want to be known as one of the best and the most prolific, you must follow through and write new jokes. So the moment that special aired, I never told those jokes again.


You have a well-deserved reputation as a workaholic.

I’m very lucky that I have always had a huge amount of energy. I’m so passionate about what I do that it is very rare that I ever fall asleep at a normal hour. If I’m actually focused on something, I can stay up indefinitely. When I’m working on a project, I’m very comfortable not sleeping. I can work for 25 hours straight, sleep for three hours, and then work for another 18 hours. With The Telethon for America I barely slept those three-and-a-half weeks leading up to the event, and then I still managed to host it.

Ben Gleib

That energy reserve will serve you well if elected president.

Running for president is something entirely different. I’ve always worked hard, but I’ve never done something before where I’ve had to burn the candle at both ends with no end in sight. It’s quite a challenge. Every day there are major things that I have not yet been able to find the time to take on – important emails that I haven’t been able to read or respond to, for example. I’m constantly trying to get out from behind the eight ball. I now understand why presidents go completely gray during their first term. I am 41, and just three months ago I barely had a gray hair in my head. Now all of the sudden I’m going gray. That’s just a few months into campaigning, so I can’t imagine what happens once you’re actually in the White House.


Something tells me that you’re okay with a few gray hairs.

The thing that keeps me going is the fact that so many people have been inspired by this campaign. I constant get messages from people telling me that they believe in what I am saying. They want me to become their president. They feel that they need someone like me to help turn the ship around. It’s so humbling and moving that, if I have to sacrifice a little bit of my health or sleep in the process, then I’m more than happy to do that.


Tell me how your role in Ice Age: Continental Drift came about.

Getting to do voice-overs and cartoons has been one of the great surprises of my career. Growing up I loved cartoons, like most children do, but I never had a goal of being in them myself. Then, after one of my standup shows, Maureen Rose of the Osbrink Agency came up to me and said she loved my voice. She said she could see me working in cartoons, and offered to represent me. It has been a wonderful business relationship. Suddenly, I’m in these huge movies that entertain so many millions of people and children around the world, movies like Ice Age and The Book of Life. It has been a real treat for me to be able to do that. And, as an added benefit, it turns out that voice-overs pay pretty decently in terms of residual checks. Getting those residual checks on a consistent basis makes it a little bit easier to succeed in this crazy business.

Ben Gleib provides the voice of Marshall the Sloth in Ice Age: Continental Drift

You’ve mentioned being a frequent guest on Chelsea Lately, and you appeared on the last episode. What do you miss most about the show?

It was the time of my life doing Chelsea Lately for the last seven years. I miss the privilege of going on international television and introducing my comedy to the world. It was so immediate and unscripted and raw, and it’s such a rare thing to have. Chelsea [Handler] has the fastest wit on TV; she’s such a raw, honest and unforgiving person. It was a lot of fun to spar with her. And to take my fair share of abuse, which kept me humble.

Backstage with Ben Gleib and Chelsea Handler

Next to last question – If you had one piece of advice to give to aspiring comedians, what would that be?

The advice that I would give to any up-and-coming stand-up comedian is this: You should not do it unless you have to. You can have a hobby of making people laugh – you can do it online, you can do it on a YouTube channel – but if you’re going to try to become a standup comedian, you should only do it if there is something in your soul that you cannot avoid, and you are willing to work harder than you could ever possibly imagine to make it happen.

You need to go into it with eyes wide open, knowing that becoming a comedian will not be handed to you. It is an absolute grind. You will work for years with no pay, and then when you get the pay, the pay will be horrible. You’ll think it’s a joke, or you’ll think you’re on some kind of prank show – especially when you see that check. And then you’ll work many more years as a host or a feature act, making very little money. Only then, if you are lucky, will you become a part of one of the most exclusive clubs in the industry, and become a headliner comedian. Even then, you’re still not going to get paid great most of the time…unless you become one of the top ten comedians on earth. If you’re willing to do all of that just because you love being able to bring your weird thoughts onto a stage and give people a break from the madness of their days, then you have passed the seriousness test that I think qualifies you to give it a go as a career.


Last question – Is there anything you want to share with the voters? If there is anybody reading this who likes what I have to say, and agrees that we need an outside voice to challenge Donald Trump, then I ask you to go to Gleib2020.com and donate whatever you can afford. We want to keep this campaign moving and challenge the powers that be in a very needed way.